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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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LOL... Check out the recruitment ad Pg 7 in Saturday's Daily Nation... Jobs open to ALL East Africans so those feeling moto-moto at the unions in Nairobi better be worried! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:LOL... Check out the recruitment ad Pg 7 in Saturday's Daily Nation...
Jobs open to ALL East Africans so those feeling moto-moto at the unions in Nairobi better be worried! Plus we all know kibaki waivered working permits to all east africans... Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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was it not 2 years ago that kq employees went on strike, were fired then restated with salary increments? Kq should have a policy of continuos training of ground and air crew. They should also employ crew on renewable shorter time contracts maybe 3-5 yrs. This way the more expensive and complacent staff can be let go and transition will be smooth. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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sparkly wrote:was it not 2 years ago that kq employees went on strike, were fired then restated with salary increments? Kq should have a policy of continuos training of ground and air crew. They should also employ crew on renewable shorter time contracts maybe 3-5 yrs. This way the more expensive and complacent staff can be let go and transition will be smooth. Any one who has a feeling of rates paid by Airlines in Africa such Ethiopian, SA, Egyptair? Are the crews in KQ so underpaid as to be stricking perrenially?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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PKoli wrote:sparkly wrote:was it not 2 years ago that kq employees went on strike, were fired then restated with salary increments? Kq should have a policy of continuos training of ground and air crew. They should also employ crew on renewable shorter time contracts maybe 3-5 yrs. This way the more expensive and complacent staff can be let go and transition will be smooth. Any one who has a feeling of rates paid by Airlines in Africa such Ethiopian, SA, Egyptair? Are the crews in KQ so underpaid as to be stricking perrenially? Trade Unionism is NOT about pay but power... The USA auto workers are & were very highly paid... lakini the brought the industry down by imposing lousy/lazy work roles... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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VituVingiSana wrote:PKoli wrote:sparkly wrote:was it not 2 years ago that kq employees went on strike, were fired then restated with salary increments? Kq should have a policy of continuos training of ground and air crew. They should also employ crew on renewable shorter time contracts maybe 3-5 yrs. This way the more expensive and complacent staff can be let go and transition will be smooth. Any one who has a feeling of rates paid by Airlines in Africa such Ethiopian, SA, Egyptair? Are the crews in KQ so underpaid as to be stricking perrenially? Trade Unionism is NOT about pay but power... The USA auto workers are & were very highly paid... lakini the brought the industry down by imposing lousy/lazy work roles... VVS that was my point on trade unions in US and UK. My querry on crews pay working for African Airlines was so as to get a feeling of whether the KQ guys have a point to make if they so underpaid as opposed to their peers.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/17/2010 Posts: 35 Location: nairobi
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PKoli wrote:VituVingiSana wrote:PKoli wrote:sparkly wrote:was it not 2 years ago that kq employees went on strike, were fired then restated with salary increments? Kq should have a policy of continuos training of ground and air crew. They should also employ crew on renewable shorter time contracts maybe 3-5 yrs. This way the more expensive and complacent staff can be let go and transition will be smooth. Any one who has a feeling of rates paid by Airlines in Africa such Ethiopian, SA, Egyptair? Are the crews in KQ so underpaid as to be stricking perrenially? Trade Unionism is NOT about pay but power... The USA auto workers are & were very highly paid... lakini the brought the industry down by imposing lousy/lazy work roles... VVS that was my point on trade unions in US and UK. My querry on crews pay working for African Airlines was so as to get a feeling of whether the KQ guys have a point to make if they so underpaid as opposed to their peers. other airlines like JO pays 50k including milleage ,but there is also other allowances which may total to 20k a month.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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Daily ads for jobs at KQ. The union wants to paralyze entire aviation industry... The good news for KQ is that is what causes hatred for unions... When people got fed up of strikes staged by unions in UK... the downfall of unions started... Jobs were lost & never recovered... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,191 Location: nairobi
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Is wednesdays party still on?...majority of those sacked in the banks strike afew years ago died of stress and the union didnt offer them other jobs....think twice unless you are a nugu. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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KQ to resume NBO-Malindi flights in Dec 2010 for the tourists http://airlineroute.net/2010/10/12/kq-nbomyd-w10/
Also this is probably in conjunction with the new NBO-Rome flights Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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@VVS I've just read that KQ agreed to pay their employees these ever when they returned to profitability.... Which they have.. So why don't they just stop with the daily ads and pay the DAMN employees??? Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/16/2009 Posts: 1,464
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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guru267 wrote:@VVS I've just read that KQ agreed to pay their employees these ever when they returned to profitability.... Which they have.. So why don't they just stop with the daily ads and pay the DAMN employees??? @Guru...KQ needs cabin crew whether the strike is on or not....
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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Horton wrote:guru267 wrote:@VVS I've just read that KQ agreed to pay their employees these ever when they returned to profitability.... Which they have.. So why don't they just stop with the daily ads and pay the DAMN employees??? @Guru...KQ needs cabin crew whether the strike is on or not.... 1)The issue is that the crew wants ADDITIONAL pay back-dated 15 months ago... BS 2) As @Horton said, KQ is expanding so it needs 'new' crew... So it is a great recruiting ad campaign... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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@Horton - Give us the skinny on this & what's KALPA's stance? Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2008 Posts: 1,438
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As mentioned before, I have been accumulating this counter as sentiment continued to plummet. I am about 55% to my targeted number of shares. I have picked at 45,44 and 43 (the last done yesterday). The price has rallied today which is a little dissapointing although it means I can at least sell and break even on some of my purchases.
I am convinced that we have not seen the end of the strike talk as the hearing of the dispute has been slated for 21st Oct. I only hope that if the strike is to materialise, let the strikers do it this month. It's better it happens now, that to have it hanging over the company like the proverbial sword of Damocles. Better to lance a boil than to have it fester into some malignant wound!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote:@Horton - Give us the skinny on this & what's KALPA's stance? For sure we are short of CC, ned a bunch, its in the growth phase, the commercial department is fantastic.... Erm....KALPA is staying out of this.... @VVS email add?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/7/2009 Posts: 111
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Despite add campaign for recruitment of extra CC being "genuine" i hope it has also scared the CC & their noisy union into bargaining to evade a strike. I guess KQ management would rather agree to something than face a strike & losses therein ... Don't gamble; take all your savings and buy some good stock and hold it till it goes up, then sell it. If it don't go up, don't buy it...
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/18/2009 Posts: 118
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 mlennyma wrote:Is wednesdays party still on?...majority of those sacked in the banks strike afew years ago died of stress and the union didnt offer them other jobs....think twice unless you are a nugu.  Seems like those union guys read your post and went  Aren't some of you guys real harsh?
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,224 Location: Nairobi
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Cicero wrote:Despite add campaign for recruitment of extra CC being "genuine" i hope it has also scared the CC & their noisy union into bargaining to evade a strike. I guess KQ management would rather agree to something than face a strike & losses therein ... We have to teach them a lesson! The unions philosophy is "if they give an inch, we take a yard" Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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