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Arabs can drink their oil..!!
kingfisher
#11 Posted : Thursday, October 07, 2010 7:12:46 PM
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@guka pole sana..... obama was talking politics then....the reality is quite different

The oil and pharmaceutical kings (real pharmacists) are unmovable. Just wake up from this dream!!

Ok lets see...you wanna bet?? I say that the project will die shortly after launch...some technical issues will be attributed to it and that will be end of story. So how much money??
When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
Spend.thrift
#12 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 9:11:30 AM
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@ Njunge.

Ideally the hybrid or electric cars are the best fit for the world today. It is estimated that fuel prices will forever be on the increase over the next 100 year or at least until the last well of crude oil is drained.

Many people, myself included, support electric cars on the premise that they are climate - neutral. However as an economist, I always believe that these environmental issues like (carbon emissions) climate change are in fact economic issues by all rights. And that's where one may get genuine reasons to punch holes, deep holes into this idea of electric cars. The first one being that the marketing/ maybe even touting of these cars leaves aout lots of economic truths. The first one being heavy subsidies (upto USD 7,500 per unit in the US)and higher in Europe. Besides, the current charging options themselves are sources of green house emissions. In the end, the electric cars produced just about 20-25% less GGE (greenhous gas emissions) than conventional internal combustion engines, when you throw in aother variable such as cost of production, it becomes a zero-sum equation with reductions in GGEs of just about 2-3%,although matters of critical mass for electric cars are wanting.

African urban and regional planners should be thinking of ways of increasing the use of mass transport systems like the 50 seater buses and the light rail commuter train systems. Thika road kind of investments. Make it so expensive to operate a private car in crowded cities like Nairobi and you will effectively cut dowm the demand for that fuel in addition to increasing your climate neutrality.

Surely, if a piece of that Nissan, (and a small NISSAN at that) goes for the 3m in the US, factor in CIF, out own taxes and exclude the USD 7500 subsidy (unless the US will be philanthropic enough to subsidise LDC consumption)and you realise we cannot afford this. Do we have enough electricty to charge the cars? Do we even have infrastructure for charging the cars?

By the way Njunge, that range of 160 km is when the car is new, only has the driver. Two more people and four pieces of luggage and you cut the range by almost 45%.



YesuWangu
#13 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 9:46:35 AM
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kingfisher wrote:
@guka pole sana..... obama was talking politics then....the reality is quite different

The oil and pharmaceutical kings (real pharmacists) are unmovable. Just wake up from this dream!!

Ok lets see...you wanna bet?? I say that the project will die shortly after launch...some technical issues will be attributed to it and that will be end of story. So how much money??



no. its a competition out there. there are people who will do anything to dislodge the big oil corporations from that position of 'big'.

just have to get the critical mass of the public to use their alternative and they will have made it.

some of us have not resigned to being lorded over by big oil. big corporations are not invincible.
sheep
#14 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 10:09:22 AM
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carlos ghosn ni jamaa wa power sana,maybe he can pull it off.

But I suspect he will fail,we are sitting in a time bomb...this oil dependency will lead to the third world war...we are living in a fools paradise...just listen to this most coolest professor alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3y7UlHdhAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyseLQVpJEI



The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
Njung'e
#15 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 10:52:55 AM
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@Spendthrift,
This is neither the beggining nor the end.As days go by,you expect improvement in the grey areas of range and technology but you must admit that the car is good enough for home to town runs.....On the issue of African urban mass transport,we could still go green albeit at a cost.I am thinking about mass rapid transport such as use of MAGLEV trains (Magnetic levitation technology).This is already in use in such towns as Shanghai (Shanghai Transrapid).Finally,smile as heartless as you sound,a little saving on GGE is worth your cents.Nissan knew this and that's why they came up with this advert;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNeEVkhTutY
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
kizee1
#16 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 11:10:39 AM
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njungz.u shud watch the docu who killed the electric car...GM had developed an elec car in the 90s fully electric
Njung'e
#17 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 11:28:44 AM
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@kizee1
I sure should.Where can i get the clip?
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Spend.thrift
#18 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 12:03:15 PM
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@ Njunge

Do I really sound heartless? I would only worry if Wendz said I was.

In principle we are in agreement. But what I meant is that in terms of public policy, we are not at the stage where these cars would be helpful to us. How many Kenyan's buy new cars anyway?

The better way is to improve the mass transport systems, like you have mentioned. Then slowly let the manufacturers of those green cars introduce to our markets what they have to offer.

The conspiracy theories of who killed the green cars etc contain half truths (i didn't say half lies).

Good weekend
Seeders
#19 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 12:11:50 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1

Njung'e wrote:
@kizee1
I sure should.Where can i get the clip?

kyukkamba
#20 Posted : Friday, October 08, 2010 1:58:35 PM
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Not only should the Arabs drink their oil....Sudan should also do so. so is Uganda,Nigeria etc..The Lamu/Turkana search for oil should stop immediatelly...KenGen watuuzie hiyo spaki tuendeshe ma dinga zetu..smile ..."Na Mukae hivyo hivyooo"...
Ni Uhuru wa Mbesha...Niguo kana tiguo?
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