Thank you Wendz for that very realistic take to the issue at hand.

I will apologize before hand for this long post.

I am neither for or against gay rights. I consider that a societal issue and to be honest, it may be too late.

I am more concerned with the medical issue at hand. Murugi would not have said what she did unless there is overwhelming evidence of something very tragic happening. I want to remind you that the current rates of HIV are most prevalent with married couples.

The truth of the matter is that most people who are gay are also in heterosexual relationships.

The ones not being given medical attention are the overtly gay. Like the ones being shown on TV. This unfortunately is the picture the media wants to paint on the gay issue. It is not the case. Most in the Kenyan community are upwardly mobile and are to put it midly "role models" in our society.

The Band Played On

The history of the epidemic is fraught with stigmatizing, simple conclusions and ostrich like behavior.

Regan refused to fund HIV because it mainly affected "those people". So for a long time CDC scientists could not stop its spread. After all, only gay people were affected and its best for them to go to hell mapema.

When they proved that it was spread through blood, even the Red Cross refused to screen blood. That is until children started dying.

When it came to Kenya, again we said it is only affecting people in the coast, Luos and prostitutes. That is until women who have only slept with their husbands started dying.

Please read the book by Randy Shilts. It is a poetry masterpiece on how human beings deal with none issues as the main issues continue to eat at us.

Kenya as it Is

Mirugi is asking us to not repeat the mistake again.

If you take a trip on facebook to do dustbin research, you will find a strong gay and lesbian community in Kenya.

I am not supporting gay rights. But I will not pretend that they don't exist and they may be affecting my children as we speak.

How many of us know we are totally safe?

It is true that openly gay guys are denied access to health care. All you have to do is read the posts on this forum that is full of educated people.

Now what do you think is happening to the young penniless gay prostitute in Lamu? Or haven't you gone outside Ambassador hotel and seen a thriving gay prostitute industry. Those married men come back to your home.

When your husband goes to Mombasa, he looks for his ndogo ndogo. A ndogo ndogo you know about and approve of. When he was not around, the ndogo ndogo her own gacugua. The male gacugua is a dual citizen for lack of a better word.

His kaboyfi is HIV positive and because he's the one wearing the earings, is chased by the Luhya watchie who would rather burn him.

Your husband comes back home to you.

The Stoning Parable

When this parable is spoken my pastor says that we should not stone others as we have also sinned.

I tend to disagree.

I think it means, stop stoning as the next person being stoned, MAY BE YOU.

The Issue

The issue is not gay rights. I doubt if that is coming in my lifetime to Kenya.

The issue is medical support for everyone and accepting that they exist.

@ rasilio

did you say that some fellows are actually married (to women) and that they are gays during the day? i need some help here...

@Wendz
It may not be direct denial/discrimination but the fact the homosexuality is a criminal offence and the fact that there is a lot of hate speech/actions directed against gays makes it harder for them to come out in the open (eg to seek medical attention particularly as regards medical conditions that could be connected to their practice).

@Kaiganjo, they are there.
@Wendz, prostitution is not illegal, pimping is.
@All WHO CARES!

@mpenzi...

Sorry, i have read it again, sloooowly.... i now understand.... especially the criminal & the aggression towards them bit.

And yes, i dont think discrimination is the problem. they want "recognition"... I dont know how.....

I got it!

http://www.facebook.com/...ideo.php?v=460416300768

Enjoy