Hmm.

@msoto

Once upon a time children would learn all their values and 'ways' from their parents. Back then, parents used to raise their children.

Parents do not raise their children in this day, they just give birth to them, the raising is taken care of at 3k a month by the mboch, then the Telly takes over from her.

That is why parents are now the ones learning from their children.... trying to understand them. Because they never knew them to begin with.

@Mtu biz, msoto is a bad parent just coz he listens to hip hop?He's impressed me because he analyses lyrics first before making slanderous accusations like most people here...To all the Christian conservatives, John Gatu, the retired PCEA head recently gave an interview on radio.He said that instruments like the guitar and drums were considered sinful in his heyday...Show me a church that holds on to this today!

@ Kadonye.

I did not call Msotoville a bad parent. Read my post above i was talking to msotoville and comparing parenting in general as it was done before and as it is (not) done today.

And before here means before my parents generation.. (traditional african society) LOL!

Nice topic this one
On pages za Bible; I grew up knowing kudara is simply being caught, we would say amedarwa akidoro class=caught napping in class.
It also ment more of being caught by police....when you hear amedarwa, you know where to find him/her.
It so happpens that the World and the early church takes up from each other quite a lot..... for instance some of the good old hymns were traditional,secular songs..... in kenya, a kid born post millenia wouldn't know 'mapambano or yote yawezekana' were powerful xtian songs..

Rock n Roll was spiritual 1800's, negro xtian culture, meaning the feeling of being rocked n rolled by the spirit (see wikipedia) before long it was a music genre mostly associated with some darkness.

I've been around from the time churches started praying for some positive xtian music to take over Kenya. The success has been to much too fast inviting impostors and also getting diluted.
I once complained about some of our gospel music being too secular to which a young parent aptly quiped...

"Id rather my daughter listened to them, than to Eminem or nonini"
I got a/the point.

So 'pages za bible would very much depend on how the word 'dara' was introduced to you .
Is it is it innocent 'caught' or invoking thoughts of erotic caresses, is it physical touch but deep to the heart...
It is also on the poetic side of juliani.....
Sometimes I see how careful and gently grandmas, they of (grand)Mothers Guild/(grand)Mothers Union, as they imbibe the Holy Scriptures..... and I can swear, as they go thru verse by verse into chapters and next page, that is not just turning pages, they are gentle,kind touches with their fingure tips, whispering. they are Caressing...wana dara hizo pages

Read songs of songs, talk to Pete Odera .....

@slammers

Those are born again musicians who do/earn a living through music. Similarly we have born again lawyers, engineers etc