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KP&L - Just a matter of time
charming soul
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:12:28 AM
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The fundementals are in place, the price seems right!!!(although i was hoping to get more below kshs 210d'oh! )

All good things come to those who are patientsmile and anytime between tomorrow & february restructuring plans will be made public & with it the much awaited bag of goodies viz Bonus, rights & split.

This will truly be a historic and unprecedented opportunity, a jackpot if you like.Applause

Pay heed & partake my Brethern else thou shalt only have thyselves to blame if thou missed the Bus!!!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
sparkly
#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:47:11 AM
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charming soul wrote:
The fundementals are in place, the price seems right!!!(although i was hoping to get more below kshs 210d'oh! )

All good things come to those who are patientsmile and anytime between tomorrow & february restructuring plans will be made public & with it the much awaited bag of goodies viz Bonus, rights & split.

This will truly be a historic and unprecedented opportunity, a jackpot if you like.Applause

Pay heed & partake my Brethern else thou shalt only have thyselves to blame if thou missed the Bus!!!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@charming whats your average entry price?
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VituVingiSana
#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:48:48 AM
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It matters little what the 'entry point' is... the question is...

Is it worth buying at TODAY's price?

I think it is a good deal as Kenya's economy grows & more customers come online...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
alikujia
#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:48:52 AM
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charming soul wrote:
The fundementals are in place, the price seems right!!!(although i was hoping to get more below kshs 210d'oh! )

All good things come to those who are patientsmile and anytime between tomorrow & february restructuring plans will be made public & with it the much awaited bag of goodies viz Bonus, rights & split.

This will truly be a historic and unprecedented opportunity, a jackpot if you like.Applause

Pay heed & partake my Brethern else thou shalt only have thyselves to blame if thou missed the Bus!!!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

OOh, this kind of pitch is, i believe, directed to only a small proportion of pple in this forum. PPle should pay attention to @vvs - where exactly will kplc take you if you enter now, and of course timeframe?. Otherwise most of the shorterm/medium value has already been locked in the price, given that upcoming restructuring has a greater potential to deduct rather than add to current value/price.

Or am not seeing something?
VituVingiSana
#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:06:37 AM
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Do I like KPLC at 240/-? Yes
Did I like KPLC much more at 180/-? 200/- [Yes]

@alikuja - I agree with you... I am AGAINST the so-called Capital Restructuring that excites people here!

Split - I support [Makes very little difference to the Capital Structure]
Bonus - I support [Makes very little difference to the Capital Structure]
Rights - I am ambivalent unless it is at a huge discount [180/-] Plus I would need to find some cash!
Conversion - I oppose it unless it is at 300/- or higher. I would rather convert the Preference Shares to Debt & pay GoK.

Debt - I am disappointed KPLC is not taking on more debt to fund expansion. KPLC has a strong balance sheet. Plenty of cashflow. Ring-fence the cashflow & issue low-priced medium to long-term debt!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
charming soul
#6 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:20:38 AM
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sparkly wrote:
charming soul wrote:
The fundementals are in place, the price seems right!!!(although i was hoping to get more below kshs 210d'oh! )

All good things come to those who are patientsmile and anytime between tomorrow & february restructuring plans will be made public & with it the much awaited bag of goodies viz Bonus, rights & split.

This will truly be a historic and unprecedented opportunity, a jackpot if you like.Applause

Pay heed & partake my Brethern else thou shalt only have thyselves to blame if thou missed the Bus!!!! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@charming whats your average entry price?


@sparky i have even bought at 286/- in 2006 my average is over 250/- I would love to get more at under 210/-
guru267
#7 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:32:39 AM
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@VVS and @charming soul i'm in this one for 10 years minimum... I got in at a very good price so the dividend yield is (6.6%) Laughing out loudly and will continue growing.... I just wish i hadn't sold a Few at 195 Sad

@VVS why should they take on more debt when they are coming to us for 10billion in capital???
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VituVingiSana
#8 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:38:01 AM
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guru267 wrote:
@VVS why should they take on more debt when they are coming to us for 10billion in capital???


Read my comments again.

I would prefer KPLC takes on more debt than ask me for cash through a Rights Issue. It is a Balance Sheet Structure I would support!

It is much cheaper for KPLC to borrow from the Bond Market (say 8%) & get a tax break on the interest than for me to borrow at 15% from a bank. Plus my dividends on my Rights Shares are paid AFTER taxes + W/holding Tax!!!

For KPLC a Rights Issue is NOT shareholder friendly!
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charming soul
#9 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:03:20 AM
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[quote=guru267]@VVS and @charming soul i'm in this one for 10 years minimum... I got in at a very good price so the dividend yield is (6.6%) Laughing out loudly and will continue growing.... I just wish i hadn't sold a Few at 195 Sad

@guru I agree with you, long term is the way to go with kpl. You were wise to get in at the right time and at the right price earning you a lucrative yield.

In my opinion even if one enters at the current market price, with the growing economy & increasing client base, intime to come the yield will be handsome making kpl a wise and sound Investment in ones portfolio.

Besides its not everyday that a company of such a stature will restructure & reward its shareholders..


Sober
#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:56:42 PM
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No supply today. absolutely.
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VituVingiSana
#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:09:26 PM
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Sober wrote:
No supply today. absolutely.

Over 17,000 shares of offer from 240-250...
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:59:55 PM
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As much as the conversion of the 7.85% non-cumm Pref stock to equity will see the Govt end up being the majority s/holder, not a good thing for you and i, i believe the Rights issue which makes no financial sense to the investor who can't be able to borrow at 7.85% or low, is intended to bring down the Govt s/holding to slightly above 50% from highs of 70% after the conversion, by the Govt renouncing some of its rights n trade them at the NSE. With a majority stake, the Govt will be able to qualify for sovereign loans n hav itself as the guarantor, due to its majority stake.

http://www.afdb.org/en/p...loans-for-public-sector/
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VituVingiSana
#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:52:46 PM
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GoK can guarantee loans even if it does not have a controlling interest in a firm. I do not like the thought of GoK having 50% control though even at 48% they do have effective control...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
hisah
#14 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:07:32 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
GoK can guarantee loans even if it does not have a controlling interest in a firm. I do not like the thought of GoK having 50% control though even at 48% they do have effective control...


If only GoK could reduce its stake to 30% or below. In the short term this would create a share oversupply, but the big boys would be ready to scoop them up and more willing to hold longer.
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guru267
#15 Posted : Thursday, September 30, 2010 1:16:44 AM
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hisah wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
GoK can guarantee loans even if it does not have a controlling interest in a firm. I do not like the thought of GoK having 50% control though even at 48% they do have effective control...


If only GoK could reduce its stake to 30% or below. In the short term this would create a share oversupply, but the big boys would be ready to scoop them up and more willing to hold longer.

@hisah this counter is very strongly held by institutions and thats what i like about it....
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youcan'tstopusnow
#16 Posted : Thursday, September 30, 2010 6:04:29 AM
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guru267 wrote:
@hisah this counter is very strongly held by institutions and thats what i like about it....

Just like KCB
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Renegade
#17 Posted : Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:21:45 AM
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Can someone answer this question.

What is the real value of KPLC?

Try and respond to this question with respect to the EPS (both undiluted and diluted) and expected conversion values for the government prefs under different scenarios e.g. at Kshs 180, 210 and 240. Extropolate using expected growth in profits and dividends.

Now justify current and/or expected price. Is still reasonable to expect the counter to hit 300?

SHOW ALL WORKINGS.

20 MARKS.
guru267
#18 Posted : Thursday, September 30, 2010 8:42:07 AM
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@renegade i'd be very happy to do so....

If they do the conversion at 180(i'm using worst case scenario from your question)... this will give
15.9billion/180 which creates 88.3million new shares....

Add this to the existing 79.128 million shares and you get 167.4 million shares....

If current profits rise by 10% then diluted EPS will be 24.3bob...

Multiply this by the market or sector P/E of 14 and you have a share price of 340 AFTER the share conversion...

Now you can only imagine if they convert at 300 like @VVS wants... Laughing out loudly
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mwanahisa
#19 Posted : Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:15:01 AM
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Wow. This is getting better and better.
Sober
#20 Posted : Thursday, September 30, 2010 9:39:14 AM
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this share traded at 355 at one time when the company was not yet out of the woods in terms of the balance sheet. assuming an even greater thirst will be there when the restructuring occurs and the great pachage (dividends) i am raising my bet to over 320 KES per share.
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