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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:My friend is considering selling his safcom business. Sales have dropped over 60% so go figure. Please describe the nature of business because I don't get. Where's his biggest loss? Scratch cards, Mpesa, Connections, or Handsets? BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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Those selling because they foresee falling of revenues are really not serious.every body knows and even the CEO admitted it will be hard for Safaricom to maintain the market share as well as the revenues.Just like in the 90s when banks were declaring billions in profits safaricom's profit will fall until it reaches a plateau. This share is for long time investors ,speculator will continue to be burnt. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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2012 wrote:I'm not a safaricom fan but I think they can survive this. I'm sure they have great strategists here and at vodafone. There's still a lot of untapped market and scom remains top of mind in the rural areas mainly because of Mpesa. What is happening now was expected and inevitable and I expect a company of safaricom's stature to have anticipated and prepared early for this. Im not a fan either, but what scared me is that look on MJ's face when Zain announced 3 bob. It was like he had zero prepartion for this. I suupose when you are market dominator, you become complacent... Everyone knows Bharti work on the minute factory model, where they churn volume at minimum cost. Surely someone must have seen this coming? As for untapped market, they say by the end of 2010, every Kenyan above the age of 15 will have a mobile phone...how true is this? I think profits will drop, must drop, its inevitable...and thus costs must drop also. Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/29/2010 Posts: 56 Location: Nairobi
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kularaha, and the only direction zains revenue and profit will take is up. Ohh did i say i can now call US for 3 bob..sufferingconman, please counter that.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 449 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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SIMPLE VALUATION OF THE SAFARICOM SHARE
Looking at the nature of the Safaricom business, i would classify it into 2:
Voice - About 75%
Others (Data,Mpesa): remaining 25%
EFFECT OF COMPETITION A) Voice - Assume a 50% reduction in revenue (Calling rates from Ksh 8 to Ksh 3) B) Others - Assume a 25% growth (growth especially in internet and MPESA but a flat trajectory in SMS revenue)
Thus, mathematically speaking:
0.75x X 0.5 = 0.375x 0.25x X 1.25 = 0.3125x TOTAL = 0.6875x
This means that the Safcom profits may shrink by as much as 30%.
As such, the share price should ideally reflect this. A 30% reduction from Ksh 6 gives a fair value of Ksh 4.20.
For the foreseeable future, a price range of Ksh 4 - 4.20 represents a fair valuation of this share until the real impact of the new competition is known.
Happy hunting.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,558
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@stockmaster, you have completely ignored the issue of price elasticity of demand in your calculation. If price falls demand increases in two ways:- 1) Increase in usage of talk time minutes(as mukiha has illustrated) 2) Increase in range of customers who can use the product. I think Morgan Stanley have taken into account many dynamics to come to a price of 5.8/- after price wars Meru Holiness
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 449 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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@ Much Know: True, the reduced calling rates will increase talk time. My estimate therefore represents the extreme of the pessimistic continum.The Morgan Stanley esimates must represent the other extreme (of the optimistic continum) Please note that i have also not factored in the customer migration to the competitors. Anyway, mine is a very rough estimate. The true picture will be known in the Safcom first half results.
Happy hunting
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/24/2008 Posts: 781
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good analysis @stocksmaster at a p/e of 11 it seems fair...I think Ill jump in if 4.00 holds. The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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stocksmaster wrote:SIMPLE VALUATION OF THE SAFARICOM SHARE
Looking at the nature of the Safaricom business, i would classify it into 2:
Voice - About 75%
Others (Data,Mpesa): remaining 25%
EFFECT OF COMPETITION A) Voice - Assume a 50% reduction in revenue (Calling rates from Ksh 8 to Ksh 3) B) Others - Assume a 25% growth (growth especially in internet and MPESA but a flat trajectory in SMS revenue)
Thus, mathematically speaking:
0.75x X 0.5 = 0.375x 0.25x X 1.25 = 0.3125x TOTAL = 0.6875x
This means that the Safcom profits may shrink by as much as 30%.
As such, the share price should ideally reflect this. A 30% reduction from Ksh 6 gives a fair value of Ksh 4.20.
For the foreseeable future, a price range of Ksh 4 - 4.20 represents a fair valuation of this share until the real impact of the new competition is known.
Happy hunting.
Good one! but what of data and mpesa etc does not grow? I think the chances are it willr emain stable...most people have lots of choices when it comes to data... A 40% dip in profits sounds right... Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/17/2008 Posts: 567 Location: Nairobi
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@ stockmaster. Thanks for the good analysis however just one more thing. Safcoms Revenues were 84B in 2009 if we talk of a 30% drop which I seem to agree sould mean 84B x 30% = 25.2B drop.
Last year they made 20B in profits before tax. Remember their cost base is largely fixed and you can do little about contractual payments (rent, licences etc) and depreciation. Even if they cut 5B from the discretionary costs, it will still leave them at a loss.
Where does this leave the share price. A price of 4.20 assuming a p.e of 11 is extremely optimistic.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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stocksmaster wrote: Anyway, mine is a very rough estimate. The true picture will be known in the Safcom first half results.
Happy hunting @Stocksmaster i belief the price wars/massacres began in the second half thus we will have to wait for full year results to know the full extent. How to cut costs: 1. Put a hold on their 4G plans and extend the reach of the cheaper 2G and 3G (Reduce CAPEX to save on cashflows) 2. Cut on their advertising and promotions spend 3. Payroll has to be trimmed... sorry for employees 4. Not much can be done on their financing and network maintenance costs. Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2010 Posts: 625
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stocksmaster wrote:SIMPLE VALUATION OF THE SAFARICOM SHARE
TOTAL = 0.6875x
This means that the Safcom profits may shrink by as much as 30%.
As Pablo points out you're making an incorrect assumption here that profits are directly related to revenues and costs. Revenue down by 30% how about costs? What % of costs are fixed? What % are variable. I think costs will not shrink by much & this is where the trouble will come from. I will be amazed by a profit of more than 10 billion.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/7/2010 Posts: 1,279 Location: nbi
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The assumptions are a bit farcical. Are we assuming that the Ksh3 will hold for a year? The Governor of Nyeri - 2017
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Wa_ithaka wrote:The assumptions are a bit farcical. Are we assuming that the Ksh3 will hold for a year? @Wa_ithaka the assumption is very valid because safcom has no other choice otherwise if they try and raise their tariffs slightly the share will be battered as it factors in gross loss of customers... Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/26/2006 Posts: 449 Location: CENTRAL PROVINCE
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My fear is that Zain is not through with the price wars. It has nothing to loose and all to gain by a further price reduction to below Ksh 3 per minute.
The acquisition of 3G by Zain and Co. and extension of this price wars to internet services will leave the only significant growth area for Safcom as MPESA (which basically is a Vodafone product managed by Safaricom based on a five year agreement.Safaricom pays 32.5% of MPESA Revenue to Vodafone which may rise to 50% of revenue if MPESA grosses EUR 24M per year - Source: Page 132 of Safcom Prospectus.
A further Zain assault on Safcom may well push this share to the Ksh 3.5 range, a price that may well be supported by fundamentals.
The telecommunication companies need to borrow a leaf from the Kenyan banks...........despite the regulators low base interest rate, they work as a sector to ensure that the loan interest rates don't fall below a certain level ensuring a good profit margin.(Thats why i concentrate on bank stocks for investment in Kenya; their heart lies with the shareholder and maximising his/her return on investment)
At this rate, the telecom companies will surely haemorrhage financial by creating unsustainable business models all in the name of competition.
Happy hunting.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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The safcom-zain issue is like the animal farm saga. If safcom was to bow out of the fight, pack and go to uk, zain will promptly raise prices- out goes mtiki, in comes mkimwa. Let the consumer rejoice Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/27/2010 Posts: 324 Location: nrb
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Bharti, being listed in India, how much loss can they absorb, say zainK dents the P/L line by 10B sh loss. Last time I heard, bharti was not such a collosal multinational in P/L, i think they made 150m USD. This kind of money has limit to what proportion can be haemorrhaged by a single(kenyan) operation.
its going to be interesting.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,259 Location: Nairobi
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alikujia wrote:Bharti, being listed in India, how much loss can they absorb, say zainK dents the P/L line by 10B sh loss. Last time I heard, bharti was not such a collosal multinational in P/L, i think they made 150m USD. This kind of money has limit to what proportion can be haemorrhaged by a single(kenyan) operation.
its going to be interesting. Bhart-Airel is HUGE... Granted they do not plan to lose money in Kenya indefinitely. Your information is incorrect. Bharti made $360mn in profits for 2Q 2010. [Viva Google] http://online.wsj.com/ar...575422392065820012.html
Yes, just in one quarter Bharti made more of a profit than Safaricom made in a whole year. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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Its a full full conditioon! LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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I love it!! Let them fight, let us rejoice!! Dont be fooled that either of them love Kenya or Kenyans... Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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