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'Irrelevant courses' at our universities
sheri
#21 Posted : Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:14:00 PM
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@mujuaji
Yes i would gladly recommend a BA for my kids by the way myself is a product of a BA . And guess what if given a second chance I will go for the same without regrets. Majority of degree courses in Kenya is either BA or BSC but both has different specialization.
Wendz
#22 Posted : Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:23:34 PM
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sheri wrote:
@mujuaji
Yes i would gladly recommend a BA for my kids by the way myself is a product of a BA . And guess what if given a second chance I will go for the same without regrets. Majority of degree courses in Kenya is either BA or BSC but both has different specialization.


@sheri..... dont give this BA course a bad name already....

But i do agree with you... its what you make out of what you learn that is most important.... not what it makes you to be.
sheri
#23 Posted : Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:27:01 PM
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@ wendz
Mistakes noted.
jguru
#24 Posted : Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:44:36 PM
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Wendz wrote:
sheri wrote:
@mujuaji
Yes i would gladly recommend a BA for my kids by the way myself is a product of a BA . And guess what if given a second chance I will go for the same without regrets. Majority of degree courses in Kenya is either BA or BSC but both has different specialization.


@sheri..... dont give this BA course a bad name already....

But i do agree with you... its what you make out of what you learn that is most important.... not what it makes you to be.


"Yes, I would gladly recommend a BA for my kids. By the way, I myself I'm a product of a BA. And guess what, if given a second chance I would go for the same without regrets. Majority of degree courses in Kenya are either BA or BSC, but both have different specializations."

It is not what you study at UNI, it is how you make use of the knowledge you already have and the knowledge you acquire at UNI. And how much you believe in yourself to work smart and achieve your career goals.
Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
mozenrat
#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:56:33 PM
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mjuaji wa stocks wrote:
There was a B.A in athropology....Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Hii mtu atapata kazi wapi???



Dr. Leaky and the Millions he was making would beg to disagree with you..

mjuaji wa stocks wrote:
Sheri...the truth is most of us begin frm employment before going on our own....hapo ndio shida iko....


From what I've seen with some of my friends from the more developed parts of the world, we're the ones getting the order wrong... You should start by finding yourself "going on your own" even before deciding on a course..

Eti would I encourage my kids to take up BA... Yes.. If they have passion for it I can assure you, they will not end up selling insurance.. and by the way I know of several classmates who took up the relevant courses (comp sci, bcom et al) who are also selling insurance and loans.. If they're passionate about those jobs, they should have taken up ... marketing...

I have this friend who took up BA communications then started a consultancy.. a one week's corporate training on how to enhance communication, he charges 3M!!!
kenmac
#26 Posted : Tuesday, September 21, 2010 10:51:19 PM
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B.sc. General, It may have been a good course in the 70s and the 80s but after having more market driven courses this course has been left a shell, an empty one....and its time to get it off the cluster. Perhaps Wood science too.
......Ecclesiastes
KenyanLyrics
#27 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:05:16 AM
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bird_man wrote:
Truth is that our greatest problem is the employment mentality.....and it's difficult to get rid of.

One of the necessary conditions of entrepreneurship is a very hard head which not too many possess
Elder
#28 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:41:57 AM
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Wendz wrote:
sheri wrote:
@mujuaji
Yes i would gladly recommend a BA for my kids by the way myself is a product of a BA . And guess what if given a second chance I will go for the same without regrets. Majority of degree courses in Kenya is either BA or BSC but both has different specialization.


@sheri..... dont give this BA course a bad name already....

But i do agree with you... its what you make out of what you learn that is most important.... not what it makes you to be.


It's or it is but definitely not its. Glasshouse. Stones. Don't. Throw.
He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
mukiha
#29 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:09:17 AM
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Two questions:
1]Why do universities exist?
2]Why do people go to study at university?

If you want to study a course that will prepare you for a specific job, then do NOT go to university!!

University is for those who think beyond jobs.

Think about it: have you not seen people studying, say, chemistry, and later becoming accountants? Does that mean that they wasted time with chemistry? Should they have simply enrolled for an accounting course after secondary school?

Some may say yes; the time spent studying chemistry was wasted, but others might say no. I stand with the latter. The chemist who eventually became an accountant did not waste time studying chemistry.

You will be amazed at the amount of similarity between chemistry accountancy....when these two are mixed in the right kind of brain.

Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
the sage
#30 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:11:10 AM
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@Mjuaji and Ruto
Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina did a medieval history and philosophy,
Walt Disney CEO Michael Eisner never took a single business course as he earned a double major in English and theater
Michael Dell, founder and CEO of Dell Computer, was a pre-med biology major at the University of Texas before dropping out after his freshman year.
Upoc CEO Gordon Gould did environmental studies degree (Pitzer College '92)
Writer Kurt Vonnegut did Anthropology
bkismat
#31 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:14:37 PM
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the sage wrote:
@Mjuaji and Ruto
Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina did a medieval history and philosophy,
Walt Disney CEO Michael Eisner never took a single business course as he earned a double major in English and theater
Michael Dell, founder and CEO of Dell Computer, was a pre-med biology major at the University of Texas before dropping out after his freshman year.
Upoc CEO Gordon Gould did environmental studies degree (Pitzer College '92)
Writer Kurt Vonnegut did Anthropology

Thatcher studied chemistry at university.
Wilfred Kiboro Civil Engineering
Michael Joseph Electrical Engineering etc etc.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
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misdemeanour
#32 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:57:41 PM
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supposing you had a vacancy at your business for say, marketing, would you hire a fresh graduate who majored in marketing, or someone who didnt study beyond kcse, became a receptionist, worked her way up in some org till she was promoted to sales n marketing and has been doin it for 3 years....

am at a dilemma here...please help
Am paid in Kshs.
YesuWangu
#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:06:02 PM
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bkismat wrote:
the sage wrote:
@Mjuaji and Ruto
Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina did a medieval history and philosophy,
Walt Disney CEO Michael Eisner never took a single business course as he earned a double major in English and theater
Michael Dell, founder and CEO of Dell Computer, was a pre-med biology major at the University of Texas before dropping out after his freshman year.
Upoc CEO Gordon Gould did environmental studies degree (Pitzer College '92)
Writer Kurt Vonnegut did Anthropology

Thatcher studied chemistry at university.
Wilfred Kiboro Civil Engineering
Michael Joseph Electrical Engineering etc etc.



Exactly!
They did 'irrelevant' things. Like what has chemistry got to do with national and international politics? did it help in Falklands crisis?

What exactly are 'irrelevant' courses?

@ misdemeanour, the interview will sort them out. who ever gives generic, text book responses, then huyo ni ish ish. Do you want ish ish?
bkismat
#34 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:13:33 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
bkismat wrote:
the sage wrote:
@Mjuaji and Ruto
Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina did a medieval history and philosophy,
Walt Disney CEO Michael Eisner never took a single business course as he earned a double major in English and theater
Michael Dell, founder and CEO of Dell Computer, was a pre-med biology major at the University of Texas before dropping out after his freshman year.
Upoc CEO Gordon Gould did environmental studies degree (Pitzer College '92)
Writer Kurt Vonnegut did Anthropology

Thatcher studied chemistry at university.
Wilfred Kiboro Civil Engineering
Michael Joseph Electrical Engineering etc etc.



Exactly!
They did 'irrelevant' things. Like what has chemistry got to do with national and international politics? did it help in Falklands crisis?

What exactly are 'irrelevant' courses?

@ misdemeanour, the interview will sort them out. who ever gives generic, text book responses, then huyo ni ish ish. Do you want ish ish?

Yesu Wangu what you study at the university should not restrict you.Or you want to state the Thatcher's 11 years in power was a failure?
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
YesuWangu
#35 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:52:56 PM
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bkismat,

No. I am in total agreement with you. What one studies should not restrict him/her. It should, like it did those in your list, open ones perspectives.

I am still waiting to be told by the proponents what are the 'irrelevant' courses......
MaichBlack
#36 Posted : Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:22:48 PM
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misdemeanour wrote:
supposing you had a vacancy at your business for say, marketing, would you hire a fresh graduate who majored in marketing, or someone who didnt study beyond kcse, became a receptionist, worked her way up in some org till she was promoted to sales n marketing and has been doin it for 3 years....

am at a dilemma here...please help

@misdemeanour - There is no dilema here. Or rather there shouldn't be. You hire the former receptionist. When it comes to marketing - among other jobs - experience, networks etc. are far much more important than papers. The former receptionist is tested, has networks, knows her way round and hopefully is ready to get her hands dirty. The prospective client wont ask what her qualifications are if she can communicate clearly and has proper grasp of what it is she is marketing.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Rahatupu
#37 Posted : Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:25:44 AM
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I agree with Sage, Kenya Ly... na Mkiha:
1. Our kuandikwa mentality is eating into our vision of the bigger picture of the Kenya we want Vision 2030. We need creative minds that will think beyond the job. We need technicians, book keepers, welders who will build our roads (not mere engineers who end up as mechanics/spanner boys). These skills are acquired at village polytechnics etc not universities.
2. Universities should be for people who are prepared to be our visionaries, thinkers. Whether in chemistry, botany, history or fine arts. We must divorce the market (job) mentality from intellectual excellence.
3. We risk being a society obsessed with "papers" and certificates and passing on this job mentality to our children. Look at our young men for Ngugi wa Thiong'o and Ali Mazrui and you'll feel frustrated with our education system.
4. We must refrain from measuring success using money as the yardstick, its not the money that a career brings that matters but rather the satisfaction it brings.

5. We must learn to ignore Ruto and the likes of Mjuaji wa stocks.
mjuaji wa stocks
#38 Posted : Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:04:24 PM
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@all…….kindly note that this is not about competition ….it is all about reality!

Well….that said…it is good to note that..…no one decides to another person what he or she shall become….or what career to pursue….each one has a live of his own to live…..therefore this is much ado about nothing….

if I find that a certain course will not lead me where I want then…I will not do it…

But if another finds it ok….then that is his or her choice……live is a matter of our personal choices…..

Kidero….MSC MD did pharmacy….but I am sure MSC does not manufacture drugs….


So whether….a BSc; B.A or Bachelor of nothing……it is our choices!!!

We live by the choices we make.

If you know you will end being a nurse....do you do B.Com.....

Please somebody tell me.....

why are there many unemployed graduates?

How many graduates are prominent businessmen who came out of campus and went direct to business?

Why are some courses more competitive than others??

Why is there a demand for some professionals than others e.g doctors compared to anthropologists?




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mlefu
#39 Posted : Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:07:48 PM
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an inlaw of mine just want his eulogy to carry many titles..he is 56.
Elder
#40 Posted : Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:24:10 PM
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And who decides on what is irrelevant? Ruto? May as well do away with medicine as doctors are already being replaced by herbalists and evangelists. And add pharmacy to the list as the new breed of pharmacists are making more money. The fact that the minister for education can even think in this way is.....I can't fathom.
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