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Cost of borrowing
Obi 1 Kanobi
#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:47:00 PM
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@Mukiha,thats some good inspiration for us starters,I am currently on my first mortgage (a flat) I am not paying more than I should,what I am doing is investing monthly in the NSE with the intention of making a lumpsum payment on the house later (I am hoping the NSE will pay better than the interest that I would have saved by paying high monthly instalments),but I have also identified a new upgrade that i will make a deposit for some time this year and the houses will be ready in 2-3 year period. I will then sell my house and upgrade to the bigger space or if I will have completed the payments,then i will simply start on the new mortgage and rent the current one.

Having said that,I think the point on cost of borrowing is that its just unnecessarily high in Kenya. 14-15% interest p.a on a long-term loan is unfair esp. when one considers that T-B's average 7% and interest income for deposits is 1-3%.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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McReggae
#12 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2009 5:45:00 AM
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Mukiha,

Good stuff,how were you able to get your pension payment before you reach the retirement age,ama umefika broda!!!!


Make money.....then you will enjoy all the fine things in life!!!
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mukiha
#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:42:00 AM
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As at the time of termination of employment,the Daudi Mwiraria pensions rule had not been effected. Thus my pension had been withdrawn and placed in an interest earning account awaiting collection.
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:06:00 AM
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Using pensions to pay for mortgage... Last I heard was we were waiting for the Regulations to be gazetted. Anyone with the inside story?
Jokimy
#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:28:00 PM
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Mortgage rates are quite high! At the end of the repayment period,you end up paying 2-2.5 times the loan value. To take or not to take a mortgage is a decision to be taken carefully after several considerations.

If you are now paying rent to a landlord,how much would you spend in rent in 15 years? If you set a similar amount and invest it each month,how much would it be in 15 years. Will it be enough to buy the same property at that time? (in 15 years).

I took a mortgage last year,but the rate is 6% (negotiated by employer with HF) and am repaying slightly less than the current rent level in the area. However,from last year the property value has increased by 60%.(as it has in several areas in Nairobi).

These are some considerations to make.

Note the law allowing the withdrawal of pension funds for house purchase was not gazetted. However,when you change jobs,you can access the personal pension contributions in full,but you cannot access the contributions from the employer until you retire.


The plans of the diligent lead surely to plenty,but those of everyone who is hasty,surely to poverty.
Tokyo
#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:33:00 PM
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@ mukiha. a job well done. Congratulations.

@ Obi. A very good decision.keep it up Bro`.

The main advantage of the mortgage in Kenya despite the high interest is the reselling value after finishing payments.Property prices increase will continue to well the near future especially Nrb.meaning mortgage as far as you can honor the contract is good decision.In Japan is opposite.If you get mortgage[even if 0% interest],build a new house,spend one night .You will be very lucky to get 85% of the cost after reselling the second day.
work to prosper
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#17 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:01:00 AM
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Interesting article in today's Standard on Sharia mortgages.

http://www.eastandard.ne...013476&cid=470&
MoKenya
#18 Posted : Thursday, May 07, 2009 5:07:00 PM
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@ Obi Kanobi

I have learnt to trust the ways of people who already have done something I want to do myself; they know where to avoid the real life pitfalls . You and Mukiha are definitely an inspiration in this home ownership issue. My strategy has been to prepare a large lump sum amount; at least half or more of the anticipated mortgage,then finance the remainder. I am getting close. I will make sure that the financed part has no pre-payment penalty clause. This way I will be able to pay off my balance when I find some more funds.


That said,I notice that the upgrade you plan to invest in falls within my planning time period to buy or place a deposit for my pod. I was wondering if you could share the details of where yours is,if there are more buildings coming up in the area. I am still looking and have not settled on a place yet. Can be reached at waslosh at yahoo.com

rishman
#19 Posted : Friday, May 08, 2009 5:51:00 AM
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hi all

another point is lets say you take the mortgage for 15yrs then u want to sell the house after 5 or so years as the house price has appreciated. Can u sell the house before u have cleared the entire loan or does the bank prevent u from doing so


bobby the shares guru
Obi 1 Kanobi
#20 Posted : Saturday, May 09, 2009 11:35:00 AM
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@Richman

Nothing stops one from selling the house before you complete paying,but there will be costs,e.g. early payment charges by the lender (which I personally think is theft),and the cost of paperwork (lawyer fees and registration fees etc) which is sometimes even 200K and which you lose when you sell off your house and have to pay for an upgrade.

And the most important thing people ignore is the inflation. E.g you buy a house for 2M and value appreciates to 4M in 2 years,the question is whether the 2M is a real gain or just paper coz if you sold the house,you would still need to buy a similar one at market value so be careful before selling,make sure you know exactly what you are going to do with the proceeds,upgrading is a damn good idea if you have additional funds or if you can now qualify for a higher mortgage.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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