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Strathmore dress code ..ABK !!!
kizee
#21 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 10:56:50 AM
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ProverB wrote:
vinii wrote:
Shame on you Shame on you At Strathmore college does not allow students to attend classes in:
- jeans
- mini skirts
- short sleeved shirts
- tops plunging necklines etc etc

Apparently the university's intention is to instil a culture of 'formal dressing as part of an early preparation of students for the corporate world'.....(see story in today's Daily Nation)

I personally feel the college is too conservative. In some of the most successful organizations (e.g Microsoft), employees are encouraged to dress down as it brings about a relaxed enviroment in the workplace which in turn translates to increased output. Why is Strathmore still a prisoner of the past??Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you



why not pick up the matter with them?



is he/she not entittled to an opinion
Elder
#22 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 10:57:38 AM
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Magigi wrote:
...The purpose of going to university is to learn how to make choices, learn how to use freedom responsibly. How you gonna do that when you are being treated like a primary school kid?
...If banks do not have a strict dressing code any more(completely dress down on fridays), which corporate world is the university preparing students for?


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TAZ
#23 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 11:01:29 AM
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@ Kizee....i totally agree with you. What value does your dress code add on your performance? What's even more humiliating is that it all starts at the gate. Most institutions have their own policies which the students or employees are required to abide but they don't go about enforcing them na kifua.
theman192000
#24 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 11:13:21 AM
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Wow! This topic has elicited a lot of responses so early on a Friday morning when people are more inclined towards turning down their work engine, in a manner of speaking, ahead of the weekend.

This could be due in part because image of self plays a large role in how people express their individuality and is an extension of our egos. This is why the neighborhood you reside, the car you drive, the schools your kids attend, where you shop for your groceries or the company you keep matters to many people whether we acknowledge it or not.

It should therefore not come as a surprise that organisations too have "egos" and also want to express their individuality.
ProverB
#25 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 11:20:23 AM
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What is the bigger picture here?
is it possible that a strict dress code has nothing to do with the future of dressing rather than character qualities of discipline, consistency and realization the world is not about you?

Has it occurred to anyone that one of the sublime purposes of wazua is to transform members here into employers themselves rather than employees with a side gig of cashflow? and then what quality of employee would you search for for your enterprise?..why are you more likely to employ a graduate from strathmore business school compared to other colleges?

There is something imparted into students of strathmore through the quality of extra curriculum requirements the campus calls for..

I remember business students of Kenya Poly at some time back were required to dress formal too..how comes no one is pointing out that?
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reox
#26 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 11:24:13 AM
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TAZ wrote:
Reox....The dress code makes you equal, c'mon we are talking of adults here not high school kids.


A full time student will understand my point here. This is a college for mostly well to do kids and a few very poor kids who have been sponsored by the college.

For crying out loudly, All is required is dress decently. (i mean no tight fitting clothes, minis etc.after all we are there to learn not to be distracted by the way one is dressed.
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kizee
#27 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 11:27:45 AM
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ProverB wrote:
What is the bigger picture here?
is it possible that a strict dress code has nothing to do with the future of dressing rather than character qualities of discipline, consistency and realization the world is not about you?

Has it occurred to anyone that one of the sublime purposes of wazua is to transform members here into employers themselves rather than employees with a side gig of cashflow? and then what quality of employee would you search for for your enterprise?..why are you more likely to employ a graduate from strathmore business school compared to other colleges?

There is something imparted into students of strathmore through the quality of extra curriculum requirements the campus calls for..

I remember business students of Kenya Poly at some time back were required to dress formal too..how comes no one is pointing out that?



that was then and this is now...its clear that how u dress has zero value to ur productivity..strath are just trying to be pretentious(sp)..
chikita
#28 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 11:34:56 AM
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Ondiek wrote:
I recall at a UON campus guys used to peep out of the window from their beds and if you see the lecturer's car being packed, you jump out of the bed onto slippers and run to class in the shorts you were sleeping in.



And most of us now are able to don SERIOUS suits with no problems whatsoever!!

I don't see what the school is fussing about!
alma
#29 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 11:36:20 AM
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theman192000 wrote:


This could be due in part because image of self plays a large role in how people express their individuality and is an extension of our egos. This is why the neighborhood you reside, the car you drive, the schools your kids attend, where you shop for your groceries or the company you keep matters to many people whether we acknowledge it or not.



Theman you have pointed out exactly what the problem is.

We are producing students who's main business curriculum is how they look in the eyes of others. Rather than how to improve the businesses they work for.

Anyone who's ever received applications and resumes from these colleges will agree with me that it seems our students are busy learning how to look good, smell good, rather than producing.

This is not to say that one shouldn't dress decently and appropriately.

Probably one of the reasons when Indian companies come here the first thing that managers from these schools do is to complain how our Kenyan businesses are being taken over.

We are so busy dressing and looking good, we forgot to DELIVER RESULTS.
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#30 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 11:43:36 AM
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The way you dress portrays the kind of person you are.

I'm also an alumni and I can say I learnt to dress appropriately for every occasion. Mostly all catholic schools are like that and you can't change them.
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MaichBlack
#31 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 12:10:55 PM
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Dressing decently is okay but going to the extent of banning short sleeves shirts? wtf!? Anyone who works for a company that does not allow short sleeved shirts? Nini hii? Anyway, this is not a new phenomenon at Strath. Even way back when, the story was the same if not worse! But it works for them.
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#32 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 2:36:26 PM
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their college, their rules. get your cert, get out of there then go to work stark naked if that will help you 'deliver'. dont see starehe boys alumni wearing blue shorts to work.
kizee
#33 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 3:22:12 PM
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Seeders wrote:
their college, their rules. get your cert, get out of there then go to work stark naked if that will help you 'deliver'. dont see starehe boys alumni wearing blue shorts to work.



so if they told folks to go butt naked that wud be cool since its their college? please explain what the rationale is apart from this tired line
Seeders
#34 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 4:16:50 PM
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precisely. if you value their cert more than going nude, you simply drop your trousers and dash to class. it is their college.

anyone who needs a college to teach them how to dress down on fridays is someone with much bigger problems than an ankle length skirt.

kizee wrote:
Seeders wrote:
their college, their rules. get your cert, get out of there then go to work stark naked if that will help you 'deliver'. dont see starehe boys alumni wearing blue shorts to work.



so if they told folks to go butt naked that wud be cool since its their college? please explain what the rationale is apart from this tired line



kizee
#35 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 5:26:07 PM
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Seeders wrote:
precisely. if you value their cert more than going nude, you simply drop your trousers and dash to class. it is their college.

anyone who needs a college to teach them how to dress down on fridays is someone with much bigger problems than an ankle length skirt.

kizee wrote:
Seeders wrote:
their college, their rules. get your cert, get out of there then go to work stark naked if that will help you 'deliver'. dont see starehe boys alumni wearing blue shorts to work.



so if they told folks to go butt naked that wud be cool since its their college? please explain what the rationale is apart from this tired line






u must work there...
vinii
#36 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 5:40:45 PM
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alma wrote:
theman192000 wrote:


This could be due in part because image of self plays a large role in how people express their individuality and is an extension of our egos. This is why the neighborhood you reside, the car you drive, the schools your kids attend, where you shop for your groceries or the company you keep matters to many people whether we acknowledge it or not.



Theman you have pointed out exactly what the problem is.

We are producing students who's main business curriculum is how they look in the eyes of others. Rather than how to improve the businesses they work for.

Anyone who's ever received applications and resumes from these colleges will agree with me that it seems our students are busy learning how to look good, smell good, rather than producing.

This is not to say that one shouldn't dress decently and appropriately.

Probably one of the reasons when Indian companies come here the first thing that managers from these schools do is to complain how our Kenyan businesses are being taken over.

We are so busy dressing and looking good, we forgot to DELIVER RESULTS.


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mozenrat
#37 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 5:46:04 PM
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Having attended KU for my first degree course (where they had to put up notices in the library requesting the dear ladies to ensure that at least more than 20% of their bodies was covered), I thought I would find it punitive at Strath.. but no.. Their dress code really equalizes people.

I think it also makes business sense. The mature students who attend KU for Education classes really have a hard time. Here you are a 50 year old teacher who has finally saved enough for an education degree and you'd find yourself sitting opposite a girl young enough to be your granddaughter wearing two inches of cloth. How are you supposed to study? Strath has a lot of older students taking up MBAs, CFA etc and they are the future of the business school. No need to embarrass them.
YesuWangu
#38 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 5:51:26 PM
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alma wrote:
A woman in a miniskirt is not a prostitute. A man in a short sleeved shirt is not a thief.

Dressing codes are part of life and in some professions a necessity. eg gloves for a doctor, a helmet for a mine worker etc

however, the idea that a school can impose a certain mode of dressing on its students is plain shaddy. For a mature person going for their masters, it is ok as its their choice.

But what happens to the young guy who's parents will only pay fees at strath? Do you condemn this kid to wear clothes that they have no wish to wear. Or to attend mass even though he's got no interest in church?

It reminds me of my college days where the worst drinkers, partyist, philanderers happened to come from schools and families where "moral" standards were enforced to the core. So now you want to extend that through 4 years of college?

These are religious principals that have no business in a college.

What will happen when I open my muslim college where all students must wear hijabs since it "prepares them for the outside world"? You will all probably scream about sharia law.

The dressing code is not a business principle. It is an Opus Dei principle. It is wrong.

If it had any business ideals to stand by then ALL the BEST business schools would adopt it. Wharton doesn't have it, MIT doesn't have it, Cambridge doesn't have it. My alma mater Boston College definately never had it. So what is this business ideal it is meant to impart on the students.

Having said that. The constitution allows Strath and other such schools to demand of it from their students. They have every right to pursue it. If you don't like it don't go there.

However, if you think that how you dress will make you successful, then you have not gone to Marikiti recently. Or have never talked to a bank clerk.




no one is paying attention here. valid points are being raised here. or is it because it is an inconvenient truth?

i find it important to echo the concern, hoping to get attention. what if, like alma says, a muslim oriented university opens here in kenya and they require burkas, hijabs, turbans, beards and all the nine yards of islamic clothing within its premises? what will people say in wazua?

or will we wait until that happens before we think about this? we open the door for one, we will be hard pressed to shut it for the next.
YesuWangu
#39 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 5:59:10 PM
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mozenrat wrote:
Having attended KU for my first degree course (where they had to put up notices in the library requesting the dear ladies to ensure that at least more than 20% of their bodies was covered), I thought I would find it punitive at Strath.. but no.. Their dress code really equalizes people.

I think it also makes business sense. The mature students who attend KU for Education classes really have a hard time. Here you are a 50 year old teacher who has finally saved enough for an education degree and you'd find yourself sitting opposite a girl young enough to be your granddaughter wearing two inches of cloth. How are you supposed to study? Strath has a lot of older students taking up MBAs, CFA etc and they are the future of the business school. No need to embarrass them.


I think, this line of argument is also faulty. For you to say that ones' study is dependent on how the person seated next to him is dressed is a very unenlightened way of thinking. So that one fails his course because of how a woman was dressed? We expect that from layabouts but from a KU graduate? What are our universities producing? Seriously?

So did you score nice grades in your class? Do you attribute that to the nicely dressed lady who was in your class?
Mkimwa
#40 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 6:12:00 PM
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Monday - Semi-formal( Formal trouser + Formal shirt)
Tuesday- Sunday - Jeans, + short sleeved shirt, or a T-shirt.

Thats how i have dressed for 3.5 years to work. If i applied for a part time course, would i be required to be carrying a change of clothes every evening?
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