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Centum 2010 AR disappoints on many levels
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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As a proud investor in Centum, I looked forward to reading their lovely annual report mailed to me yesterday only to be horrified by the lack of detail. Disclosure requirements have slackened but let’s just see what exactly is missing versus the 2009 annual report (when they actually made a loss). 1. Not even naming the Top 10 shareholders, com’on seriously… (no hint of a shareholding structure, guess you’ll have to wait for another year). 2. CSR done (if any) or for the future. Pretend you care. 3. Directors’ profiles missing (although they didn’t change directors much). 4. No breakdown of their quoted & unquoted investments. If you want to know how to model your portfolio versus theirs’, u can’t. It would have been so interesting to see how they're portfolio had changed as an investor. What did they do to KCB? What about Carbacid Investments (what was the cost vs the market value now)? No disclosure of income per sector (which sector drives investment income). 5. Set up a new subsidiary Reli Holdings in British Virgin Islands to engage in infrastructure investments. Why didn’t they use Rasimu Limited which engages in investment activities? 6. CEO decided to give his annual statement a miss (he needs to account for the performance, non?). So that means we don’t know the economic challenges and opportunities in market that might arise that may impact the portfolio in the future. How they intended to fund themselves in the future to reach 30 billion in assets by 2014. Their target portfolio structure (PE vs Real Estate). Plans for geographical spread of future investments given their 2 billion in liquidity. Comparison of Centum’s net asset value versus NSE index for the past 5 years (outperforming the market or not?). No details on why dividend income declined, why associate contribution declined and where the gain on disposal of investments came from. 7. No descriptions of the new re-organized divisions (because they made a big deal about it):- Private Equity (PE), Quoted Private Equity (QPE) and Real Estate Business lines. Their goals, strategy, targets? Given the new additions to management and restructuring whose running these business lines? 8. A 10 year breakdown of financials & constituent counters in their equity portfolio on the back pages. 9. The management's expectation of the coming year not even a statement or a paragraph with the heading saying "future outlook", "coming year", or "future prospects". Any theories for the complete lock-down in information? As a minority shareholder, should I even care? Check out the annual report http://www.centum.co.ke/...for%20FY%202009_2010.pdf“We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Rank: User Joined: 5/9/2010 Posts: 1,418 Location: Nai
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Shld i be clapping at ur superb analytical skills or read the report ? Coz quite frankly i never thought annual reports cld be so intresting to read !! Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/7/2010 Posts: 728 Location: Wazuaville
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What are they hiding? "Money never sleeps"
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 359
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@Scubidu ===If you want to know how to model your portfolio versus theirs’, u can’t.
Hehehehe... perhaps that's why they are cheekily long on promise and short on details.
When exactly will they be approving the bonus share?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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[quote=Scubidu]As a proud investor in Centum, I looked forward to reading their lovely annual report mailed to me yesterday only to be horrified by the lack of detail. Disclosure requirements have slackened but let’s just see what exactly is missing versus the 2009 annual report (when they actually made a loss). 1. Not even naming the Top 10 shareholders, com’on seriously… (no hint of a shareholding structure, guess you’ll have to wait for another year). 2. CSR done (if any) or for the future. Pretend you care. 3. Directors’ profiles missing (although they didn’t change directors much). 4. No breakdown of their quoted & unquoted investments. If you want to know how to model your portfolio versus theirs’, u can’t. It would have been so interesting to see how they're portfolio had changed as an investor. What did they do to KCB? What about Carbacid Investments (what was the cost vs the market value now)? No disclosure of income per sector (which sector drives investment income). 5. Set up a new subsidiary Reli Holdings in British Virgin Islands to engage in infrastructure investments. Why didn’t they use Rasimu Limited which engages in investment activities? 6. CEO decided to give his annual statement a miss (he needs to account for the performance, non?). So that means we don’t know the economic challenges and opportunities in market that might arise that may impact the portfolio in the future. How they intended to fund themselves in the future to reach 30 billion in assets by 2014. Their target portfolio structure (PE vs Real Estate). Plans for geographical spread of future investments given their 2 billion in liquidity. Comparison of Centum’s net asset value versus NSE index for the past 5 years (outperforming the market or not?). No details on why dividend income declined, why associate contribution declined and where the gain on disposal of investments came from. 7. No descriptions of the new re-organized divisions (because they made a big deal about it):- Private Equity (PE), Quoted Private Equity (QPE) and Real Estate Business lines. Their goals, strategy, targets? Given the new additions to management and restructuring whose running these business lines? 8. A 10 year breakdown of financials & constituent counters in their equity portfolio on the back pages. 9. The management's expectation of the coming year not even a statement or a paragraph with the heading saying "future outlook", "coming year", or "future prospects". Any theories for the complete lock-down in information? As a minority shareholder, should I even care? Check out the annual report http://www.centum.co.ke/...or%20FY%202009_2010.pdf[/quote] That is why I admire the Annual Report of SAB Miller
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Rank: Hello Joined: 9/10/2010 Posts: 3 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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Scubidu, The detailed AR is now available on their website: http://www.centum.co.ke/....php?active_page_id=451
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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Thanks bolingowarrior. I'm sure it'll be helpful to all wazua investors. “We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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bolingowarrior What a name! GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Hello Joined: 9/10/2010 Posts: 3 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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Elder, glad you like the handle! Doggone it...apparently the Centum folks have updated their website at http://www.centum.co.ke and the link I provided earlier now no longer works!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/11/2009 Posts: 22
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Updated Centum Annual Report that has all the stuff that was missing in the one sent out earlier: http://www.centum.co.ke/...d&gid=9&Itemid=
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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All very interesting, kwani how many versions are out there? Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2009 Posts: 8,083 Location: Enk are Nyirobi
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote: bolingowarrior What a name! @y 1300 posts already! Have you been posting in your sleep lol i bet we can't stop you now Life is short. Live passionately.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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@sparkly. The power of wazua...they'll keep churning out different versions until we're satisfied :) Maybe wazua is the official complaints desk for minority shareholders. “We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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sparkly wrote:youcan'tstopusnow wrote: bolingowarrior What a name! @y 1300 posts already! Have you been posting in your sleep lol i bet we can't stop you now GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/6/2008 Posts: 13
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The updated version is available on the homepage(www.centum.co.ke), it is also on the Investor Relation Section.
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Rank: Hello Joined: 9/10/2010 Posts: 3 Location: Nairobi, Kenya
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@Scubidu: You may be on to something! Centum's just put up a Frequently Asked Questions section on their Investor Relation(s?) Portal. Does this mean they read this chat forum? Hmmm....the link is: http://www.centum.co.ke/...p;id=207&Itemid=114
Scubidu wrote:@sparkly. The power of wazua...they'll keep churning out different versions until we're satisfied :) Maybe wazua is the official complaints desk for minority shareholders.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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@bolingowarrior. I wouldn't be surprised if they do sneek a peak occasionally. There's so much one can learn from wazua on investor perception, confidence as well as other leaked info, hehehe. “We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/11/2010 Posts: 36
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I want to register my doubt about Centun, last year a friend of mine itroduce me to Centun, he was very excited about the company so I decided to check it's website, then they had "our portfolio" where you could see how they have invested, what got my eyes was how bogus their valuation was, for instance, and get these right, last year inspite recording profit... ALL THIER POSITIONS in listed stocks were in RED( the value of their investment in publicly trader companies were negative), whereas, the value of thier holdings in closed companies, companies that is hard to value was most of them 200% to 300% their cost. These is a RED FLAG!!!!! Earning manipulation. I know so loyalt investors wouldn't like this but if a company claim its profitability from only closed companies then its rises questions. So telling me that they have now open a vehicle in Virgin highlands even add more doubt, I am a trained analyst, I have worked for both public trade companies and Hedge funds, The biggest reason why companies open investment vehicles off-shore is to manange their earnings, British virgin island is popular for accounting malpratices, off-balance arrangements, accrual reportings... name them all thats where all these bogus Hedge funds tranfer their liabilities, finance their payables, capitalize their expenses instead of expensing.... I am not saying Centun is a fraud but don't close your eyes!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/4/2009 Posts: 700 Location: Nairobi
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CapitalMarketsGeek wrote:Quote:I want to register my doubt about Centun, last year a friend of mine itroduce me to Centun, he was very excited about the company so I decided to check it's website, then they had "our portfolio" where you could see how they have invested, what got my eyes was how bogus their valuation was, for instance, and get these right, last year inspite recording profit... ALL THIER POSITIONS in listed stocks were in RED( the value of their investment in publicly trader companies were negative), whereas, the value of thier holdings in closed companies, companies that is hard to value was most of them 200% to 300% their cost. These is a RED FLAG!!!!! Earning manipulation. I know so loyalt investors wouldn't like this but if a company claim its profitability from only closed companies then its rises questions. Interesting analysis. The subsidiary issue reminds me of Sir Allen Standford or the wall street hedge fund guys...or Helios. They've committed fund to the Helios 2 Fund something? What's the Helios 2 Fund do? The balance sheet shows excellent valuation in the last year, everything was up (expected as the stock market rose). But looking at the income statement it paints a different portrait. Dividend income down. Admin expenses up massively. Finance costs up a lot. Associate profit down. The only good thing that happened was selling KCB, but they can't disclose changes in their portfolio. Do we judge their performance based on the balance sheet or the P&L? “We are the middle children of history man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives!" – Tyler Durden
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2010 Posts: 625
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CapitalMarketsGeek wrote:I want to register my doubt about Centun, last year a friend of mine itroduce me to Centun, he was very excited about the company so I decided to check it's website, then they had "our portfolio" where you could see how they have invested, what got my eyes was how bogus their valuation was, for instance, and get these right, last year inspite recording profit... ALL THIER POSITIONS in listed stocks were in RED( the value of their investment in publicly trader companies were negative), whereas, the value of thier holdings in closed companies, companies that is hard to value was most of them 200% to 300% their cost. These is a RED FLAG!!!!! Earning manipulation. I know so loyalt investors wouldn't like this but if a company claim its profitability from only closed companies then its rises questions. So telling me that they have now open a vehicle in Virgin highlands even add more doubt, I am a trained analyst, I have worked for both public trade companies and Hedge funds, The biggest reason why companies open investment vehicles off-shore is to manange their earnings, British virgin island is popular for accounting malpratices, off-balance arrangements, accrual reportings... name them all thats where all these bogus Hedge funds tranfer their liabilities, finance their payables, capitalize their expenses instead of expensing.... I am not saying Centun is a fraud but don't close your eyes! You need to check when the unlisted investments were made. Most of them are quite old. Listed equities on the other hand are short term. So there's no red flag there CapitalMarketGreek
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