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KQ in 2010-11 (Boom, Bust or Blah)
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#101 Posted : Monday, September 06, 2010 10:12:22 PM
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@the deal . when you say its not for the faint hearted, u ain't kidding. but we keep holding on


HLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Now you know my broda..between the worst might be over...i see from October there more foreign Activity on the NSE then the results thats where we either *boom or bust*...fasten ur seat belt..
the deal
#102 Posted : Tuesday, September 07, 2010 4:45:09 PM
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KQ is bearish on the charts...the best thing one can do now is ignore..
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#103 Posted : Tuesday, September 07, 2010 5:51:04 PM
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Liberia is safer than Kenya. Thank the goons at KAA for this.

http://www.nation.co.ke/...6/-/xt3q8cz/-/index.html
youcan'tstopusnow
#104 Posted : Tuesday, September 07, 2010 6:42:11 PM
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I think the TSA's main concern is not JKIA but the fact that Kenya is an easier target for terrosists to strike American interests. The ministries of Defence/Internal Security, and not KAA, are the ones to blame. Al Shabaab maraud into Kenyan territory as if there is no law of the land. The fact that the Kampala bombers are from Kenya doesn't do us any good
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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#105 Posted : Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:44:12 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
I think the TSA's main concern is not JKIA but the fact that Kenya is an easier target for terrosists to strike American interests. The ministries of Defence/Internal Security, and not KAA, are the ones to blame. Al Shabaab maraud into Kenyan territory as if there is no law of the land. The fact that the Kampala bombers are from Kenya doesn't do us any good
KAA was supposed to expand JKIA... Even if Kenya/JKIA does not get FAA clearance... KQ needs a larger airport to support its China-Africa growth!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#106 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:48:43 AM
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Africa traffic up 13% in July 2010
http://www.standardmedia...in%20passenger%20traffic
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Wendz
#107 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 10:28:50 AM
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[quote=VituVingiSana]Africa traffic up 13% in July 2010
http://www.standardmedia...n%20passenger%20traffic[/quote]

You are right. The airport is becoming pretty congested. Yesterday i dropped a friend at the airport and getting parking was crazy! Its understandable its high season but clearly, the airport is handling a big number of travellers which justifies expansion. There was construction going on near the cargo "centre" way back in 2008 but not sure what has happened since.

And hey, not that i would want to be harassed, but the police at the check point before you enter the airport are pretty polite to women especially if you are driving alone.... You pass too easily...smile
VituVingiSana
#108 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 10:59:38 AM
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@wendz - Last year I parked at the airport overnight. It was DARK... I could have been mugged! There were almost no lights at the Long-Term parking lot...

Even worse, there was NO-ONE at the gate! The jamaa had disappeared so I had to hustle to find this guy! I asked the cops who asked someone else... finally, the guy shows up to give me a long-term parking ticket...
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Rahatupu
#109 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:11:48 PM
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@VVS, Geko, There can be no comparison between JKIA,Kutoka (Accra), Murtala (Lagos) not to mention Roberts in Monrovia. I've been to all these Airports and I can proudly tell you they come nowhere near JKIA in size, style.
Lets talk of Roberts. I'm not sure if the image (attached) will be clear lakini where the Eth Airlines is parked in just at the perimeter to the outside, see the bandas. . The runway and facilities at JKIA are compliant to ICAO standards Uncle Sam mustn't acknowledge this anyway.

Our Wilson is bigger and better than Roberts Int by far too. Fast forward, security:
1. The biggest concerns for the US is not the Airport security but terrorism threat.
2. The presence of "terror agents" in Kenya (mind you not at JKIA) is the problem. There is no such threat in Liberia.
3. The threat whether real or imagined will always be in the US policy makers' mind our interests as KEnyans notwithstanding.
4. Lets look to the East for more trade, tourists and "development"
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#110 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 2:31:32 PM
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Vitu mob , ar u afraid of the dark. Hahaaa!
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
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#111 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:27:20 PM
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@rahatupu - I acknowledge that...

BTW, Kotoka has/had air-conditioned buses for years to take you from the plane to the terminal... When I hit JKIA... I have to tarmack it!

What I am saying is for KQ to be a REGIONAL CARRIER using Nairobi as a HUB... we need to look at Dubai or Singapore not these small airports!

JKIA was built to accomodate 2.5mn pax... KQ flies 2.5mn pax!

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Ric dees
#112 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:54:02 PM
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@VVS
I may be mistaken but i clearly remember being ferried across the Apron (it's not a tarmac boss) upon arriving on KQ in 2008 in air conditioned buses (very similar to the ones in DXB).

That said, Singapore is a dream too far at the moment, i think the airport in Capetown is functional and this can work for us, i think this comparisons will get us nowhere, In my limited knowledge of Aviation, expansion of JKIA will first warrant an extra runway,(Pesa Hakuna) and this will not be even 30% utilized that said the two ground handling companies (Swissport & Kenya Aerotech)do not have the capacity to to take on new carriers, they will need serious overhaul in their equipment to do this.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
VituVingiSana
#113 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:10:10 PM
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Ric dees wrote:
@VVS
I may be mistaken but i clearly remember being ferried across the Apron (it's not a tarmac boss) upon arriving on KQ in 2008 in air conditioned buses (very similar to the ones in DXB)

Not me... I had to walk to the plane from the Terminal/Gate to the plane & same back... Maybe they do so (buses) for planes parked further out... I have NEVER been in a KQ bus!

BTW, did you know KQ had to buy their own buses! The corrupt a-holes at JKIA/KAA are supposed to provide the buses!

LOL... Chief... the Apron is Tarmac/Asphalt with a fancier name!
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VituVingiSana
#114 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:12:32 PM
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Ric dees wrote:
expansion of JKIA will first warrant an extra runway,(Pesa Hakuna) and this will not be even 30% utilized that said the two ground handling companies (Swissport & Kenya Aerotech)do not have the capacity to to take on new carriers, they will need serious overhaul in their equipment to do this.
KQ has been crying for a 2nd Runway for 3 years. It is needed. IF there is an accident on the existing Runway, the airport shuts down!!!

As for Ground Handling firms, they will get more equipment as needed... BTW, KQ Cargo is the largest in East Africa.
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VituVingiSana
#115 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:23:54 PM
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Africa Then Versus Now, In the Eyes of a Pan Am Vet (Guest Post)

Posted: 09 Sep 2010 03:45 AM PDT

Cranky is on a much-needed vacation and won’t be responding to emails this week. Fortunately, before I started drinking too heavily, I put some posts live. Today, we’ve got a guest post from a guy who helped open up Africa for Pan Am and is now doing the same for Delta.

People often ask me what has changed in Africa over the last 25 years to make it possible for Delta Air Lines to fly to a continent that my former employer, Pan Am, largely abandoned in the 1980s. How could it be financially prudent for a major airline to invest large aircraft and resources in a continent with a gross domestic product equal to a fraction of U.S. GDP, they ask?
Vastly improved technology, stronger, consolidated global airlines and accelerating economic growth across Africa are the simple answers.

When I began my aviation career with Pan Am in Johannesburg in 1973, Africa was still a wild frontier for Western-style commerce. Phone lines were unsecure and unreliable. Computer systems were not connected. And airport infrastructure was generally not available unless you bought it or built it yourself.
To illustrate this point, Pan Am owned Intercontinental Hotels and constructed new properties around the globe to provide appropriate crew and passenger accommodations in many of the new cities it served.
And even after 30 years of air service development, in the 1970s many flights arrived from points across Africa with little advance notice of how many passengers were on board or how many customers would be making connections. Reliable data services simply were not available between the opposite coasts of Africa in those days.
Today, many of the age-old African political and infrastructure challenges remain. But new technology, improved communications and intra-Africa geopolitical improvements are making it possible for air travel to advance the pace for expanding global commerce on the continent.
As an example, this month Delta is returning to Monrovia, marking the first time U.S. airline service has existed in this market since the mid-1980s. When Pan Am served Liberia in the ’70s, we had to physically drive between the airport at Robertsfield and our commercial office in Monrovia to transfer information because we had no reliable way to communicate between the city and the airport.
Now, it is possible to use a Blackberry to stay connected to the world as we zig zag across Liberia or any country in Africa developing service. Improved intra-Africa airline service by the likes of Kenya Airways also make it possible to do business in many parts of the continent without making circuitous flight connections back through Europe as we had to do in the early days.
Advances in aircraft also have made Africa a more attractive theater for global aviation. When I started with Pan Am we never imagined the possibility of a Boeing 777-200LR aircraft flying nonstop in both directions between Atlanta and Johannesburg. And, in 1941, my predecessors certainly couldn’t have imagined these types of advances when they launched Pan Am’s first scheduled commercial service from New York to Senegal with intermediate stops in Bermuda, the Azores and Lisbon. Operated with Boeing 314 Flying Boat aircraft, the total travel time on this route exceeded 60 hours. Yes, 60 hours.

Today, Delta operates the same New York-to-Dakar route nonstop using Boeing 757 jets with a flight time of just over eight hours – not the three days required for the original Pan Am flight.
Pan Am served more than a dozen cities in Africa at its height, but the trail blazed to reach that point took more than three decades. In three years, Delta has grown to serve seven destinations in Africa with plans to grow to at least 10 once additional government approvals are received.
As our example shows, airlines that reach the market first, make lasting investments in infrastructure, customer service and pan-regional partnerships will create the most value for their customers and, most importantly, the African nations that so badly want to boost their economic outputs.
Growing relationships with carriers like Air Nigeria and Kenya Airways are indicators of the investments we must make beyond the airfields we serve. And the relationships the industry is building with governments across the continent mark a critical step in advancing the growth of Africa’s own aviation infrastructure in the years to come.
While I won’t be here to see the next 40 years in Africa, I’m sure they will be even more exciting than the last. There are very few places left on the globe with such promise of development as Africa. And this bodes well for airline managers everywhere.

Jimmy Eichelgruen is Delta’s regional sales manager for Africa. He is based in London but spends most of his time on planes flying to and from points across Africa. He began his aviation career in 1969 with South African Airways and in 1973 joined Pan American Airways as a sales representative advancing to Director of Sales – Africa with assignments in Johannesburg, Nairobi, Monrovia and Abidijan. He became part of Delta’s London office when the airline acquired Pan Am’s trans-Atlantic routes in 1991.
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Ric dees
#116 Posted : Thursday, September 09, 2010 9:36:08 PM
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@VVS..Apron fancier name Laughing out loudly..
Anyways i know KQ has been crying for a second run-way and i too think we need it like yesterday but i find it rather naive on their part to demand it knowing all too well what it entails.I think it's more the issue of "ball in your court" run with it.If you read ICAO conditions KAA needs to develop and sustain the Aviation safety oversight capability, this means investing in new modern communication navigation and surveillance equipment (Not cheap by any standard).

I personally think we stand a better chance of upgrading Wilson so as to handle the regional flights esp in the night when the airport is closed.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
VituVingiSana
#117 Posted : Friday, September 10, 2010 7:35:41 AM
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Ric dees wrote:
@VVS..Apron fancier name Laughing out loudly..
Anyways i know KQ has been crying for a second run-way and i too think we need it like yesterday but i find it rather naive on their part to demand it knowing all too well what it entails.I think it's more the issue of "ball in your court" run with it.If you read ICAO conditions KAA needs to develop and sustain the Aviation safety oversight capability, this means investing in new modern communication navigation and surveillance equipment (Not cheap by any standard).

I personally think we stand a better chance of upgrading Wilson so as to handle the regional flights esp in the night when the airport is closed.

Nonsense! KQ has asked for an expanded JKIA for years! I was at an AGM in 2003 when KQ told shareholders that the airport will be too small for them in 4 years! Basically, KQ plans were to hit 2.5mn pax by 2007-8...

Rwanda is going to BUILD a new airport in 4 years max! The corrupt idiots at KAA/JKIA can't build a 2nd Runway???

Heck, if you let the Chinese do it... we will have a brand new runway + terminal in 2 years!

BTW, Wilson Airport has issues with the flight path... + it is too small to handle many regional jets like the 737s favored by KQ
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#118 Posted : Friday, September 10, 2010 11:22:16 AM
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KQ can use Embraer (they are STOL) at Wilson, only problem is that these Embraers feed the 767/777s going to other destinations. That would make passengers shuttling between Wilson and JKIA a nightmare.

BTW, for as long as I remember, the JKIA maps have always included the second runway - it runs from near Syokimau and cuts the present runway near the end. As we talk, land is being grabbed and we will end up with a Wilson scenario.

VituVingiSana
#119 Posted : Friday, September 10, 2010 11:29:50 AM
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@GG - On my recent flight into JKIA from the south approach, I saw houses/farms/buildings that seemed fairly new... Anyway, I can't be certain if they were new but the buffer between the residential areas & JKIA is diminishing fast!

At best, Wilson can only be used for domestic flights that do NOT require connections to international destinations...
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Ric dees
#120 Posted : Friday, September 10, 2010 1:00:14 PM
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@VVS...much as i agree about "encroachment" of the flight path at Wilson Airport, however i believe this is small fry and a problem that can easily be overcome if Hong Kong airport is anything to go by. This believe me is a scary place to land with all the mountains and skyscrapers around the airport and the runway heads towards the Victoria harbor no mean feat for a 777-200 leave alone the 737-800 Kq uses for regional flying.

Quite frankly i strongly believe upgrading Wilson airport is a step in the right direction all factors considered.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
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