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Zain receives HALF A MILLION NEW SUBSCRIBERS in one week
gathinga
#71 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:44:41 PM
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so do we now have reliable figures on:
number of subscribers who have moved?
call minutes lost by safaricom?
additional call minutes/revenue for zain?
Much Know
#72 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:09:34 PM
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After Mouse tells Cat "Bend Over", It is still too early to say if Safaricom ARPU will drop but definitely user minutes per month will raise from 75minutes, depending on how much the low end users increase their use, ARPU may even raise, after two weeks of this price war of which Zain had a major head-start, Safaricoms market share has dropped approx 1.5% from 80% to 78.5%, if users increase their calls due to lower prices, 2/- per minute, then their revenues may not be much affected as ARPU will remain stable or even rise, whilst the 300K customers who switched to Zain and YU may return to safcom with others as we saw with Vuka. Stanbic has changed Safaricom to HOLD, most good analyst will soon revert to BUY/OVERWEIGHT, I expect latest November. I think Morgan Stanly give the best analysis.
READ SOME HERE & HERE

The story is different for Zain:-

After a Kenyan corporate history loss making KES 7.3 billion (USD 90million) over its past financial year, Zain is at it again, promising to make an even bigger loss with its reckless antics in another futile effort to become Safaricom. I believe there is space for growth for Zain rather than self destruction. Zain is an important player in the economy but with yet another imminent huge loss, the worst is yet to come.

Lets burst some myths

Myths:
• Bharti airtell is willing to “squander” another 12 billion to 25 billion to prop Zain Kenya, Bharti worldwide reported a profit of 1.6Billion USD, for the past financial year from its Indian Market with 150million subscribers, to say they are ready to pour 1/6th of this amount in a Kenyan operation that has about 2million customers (or even an optimistic 10million) is delusional. I think Sunil Mittal (Bharti Airtel is literally a one man show though it is partially owned by Vodafone) knows better (simple business logic, don’t throw good money after bad money), Zain Kenya may well be likely be up for sale following another loss this October. Note Airtell (Zain Africa) has market leadership in majority of African operations.
• Calls are profitable at 3per Min across Networks. Suppose Zain enrolls a new 3 million customers and reports a better ARPU, knowing about a 1/3rd of voice revenue goes back to distribution (more so for Zain due to volumes) and where it has being paying a 4.22/- cross network charge for 3 weeks now (leaving a negative revenue of -1.22/- for every call below one minute) and 2.2/- for the rest of the year for the first minute giving a revenue of .80/cents for any call below one minute, clearly Zain is taking major losses as it made the losses at 7.50/- per minute across networks last year, with a bigger subscriber base.

Whats your take?
Ras Kienyeji Man
mozenrat
#73 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:34:43 PM
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gathinga wrote:
so do we now have reliable figures on:
number of subscribers who have moved?
call minutes lost by safaricom?
additional call minutes/revenue for zain?


Boss, question 1,2 ok... question 3 is laden with fallacies..

As to the answers:

1. Impossible to tell in the short term... Whatever figures are filed with CCK at the end of the registration period will comprise of Persons who may have moved from Safaricom but will still appear in Safcom's register as the 120 day period is not yet over... The price-sensitive subscribers who moved to Zain and switched back as soon as the Safcom price was dropped will appear in Zain's list... so give it some time... Any time before 4 months is too soon to tell.
mozenrat
#74 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:37:29 PM
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gathinga wrote:
so do we now have reliable figures on:
number of subscribers who have moved?
call minutes lost by safaricom?
additional call minutes/revenue for zain?


Boss, question 1,2 ok... question 3 is laden with fallacies..

As to the answers:

1,2. Impossible to tell in the short term... Whatever figures are filed with CCK at the end of the registration period will comprise of Persons who may have moved from Safaricom but will still appear in Safcom's register as the 120 day period is not yet over... The price-sensitive subscribers who moved to Zain and switched back as soon as the Safcom price was dropped will appear in Zain's list... so give it some time... Any time before 4 months is too soon to tell.
3. Additional revenue??? Boss even if 2 million people have moved to Zain that leaves 15 million in Safcom so u can imagine the percentage of cross network calls favouring Safcom... In all probability, for the period before 1st September (tommorrow) Zain's losses increased not their revenues.
selah
#75 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:16:21 PM
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I saw this on citizen TV. By last week the registered subscribers stood at:

Safaricom:12Million

Telkom K: 150,000

The other networks did not give their figures.
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Horton
#76 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:22:16 PM
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Btw, whatever happened to our Princeton educated, fast talking, billionaire-extrodinaire, philanthropic, blue-eyed boy? AMA kazi ya ku blog for telcom companies iliisha?!
mozenrat
#77 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:52:11 PM
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selah wrote:
I saw this on citizen TV. By last week the registered subscribers stood at:

Safaricom:12Million

Telkom K: 150,000

The other networks did not give their figures.


But this information does not really answer @Gathinga's question since a lot of the unregistered users on all networks are still calling and a lot of registered users have moved from their native networks... So either way there's no way of telling exactly how many active users are contributing to Telkom Kenya's revenue for instance..
kanda
#78 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:43:10 PM
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zain never expected safcon to pull such a fast one. i didnt too. this game is smoking!!. zain pulled a killer punch and safcon responded with a tyson, hehehe!! who benefits?? u know. i have a two fons so immediately zain announced their offer my preferred network changed to zain, but then safcon gave a sweeter deal of 2bob n seeing that most of my fonbook is safcon my preferred network is again safcon.

lets face it, the only beneficiary so far is the end user. shareholders (both safcon and zain) watajiongelesha. zain is unlikely to gain much, not coz they made a wrong move (it was a killer move!) but coz safcon reacted in good time. just when will they move the war to the data arena...cant wait???? hehe
gathinga
#79 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:41:50 PM
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kanda wrote:
zain never expected safcon to pull such a fast one. i didnt too. this game is smoking!!. zain pulled a killer punch and safcon responded with a tyson, hehehe!! who benefits?? u know. i have a two fons so immediately zain announced their offer my preferred network changed to zain, but then safcon gave a sweeter deal of 2bob n seeing that most of my fonbook is safcon my preferred network is again safcon.

lets face it, the only beneficiary so far is the end user. shareholders (both safcon and zain) watajiongelesha. zain is unlikely to gain much, not coz they made a wrong move (it was a killer move!) but coz safcon reacted in good time. just when will they move the war to the data arena...cant wait???? hehe


between the two operators, its safcom rather than zain who will be incapable of sustaining hese tarrifs, or at least they will suffer greatly in maintaining low tarrifs because of their already established cost structure and their listed status, which means thay have to please shareholders.

So lets enjoy while it lasts, dont throw away, your zain (mpango wa kando) as yet.
mozenrat
#80 Posted : Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:01:57 PM
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kanda wrote:
zain never expected safcon to pull such a fast one. i didnt too. this game is smoking!!. zain pulled a killer punch and safcon responded with a tyson, hehehe!! who benefits?? u know. i have a two fons so immediately zain announced their offer my preferred network changed to zain, but then safcon gave a sweeter deal of 2bob n seeing that most of my fonbook is safcon my preferred network is again safcon.

lets face it, the only beneficiary so far is the end user. shareholders (both safcon and zain) watajiongelesha. zain is unlikely to gain much, not coz they made a wrong move (it was a killer move!) but coz safcon reacted in good time. just when will they move the war to the data arena...cant wait???? hehe



Hiyo ya data itakuwa Orange versus Safcom...
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