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If shorting was allowed,what stocks would you be certain to short and why?
msimon
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:14:59 PM
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If shorting was allowed,what stocks would you be certain to short and why?
My 2 cents
#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:18:42 PM
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Kenya Re; because the only movement for this stock seems to be downward
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:20:03 PM
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Safaricom
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msimon
#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:31:14 PM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Safaricom

Why?
msimon
#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:34:36 PM
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My 2 cents wrote:
Kenya Re; because the only movement for this stock seems to be downward


Seems your focusing on the technical bit, but the fundamentals of this stock make it one of the cheapest stocks on the NSE.
But thanks for the response!
Wa_ithaka
#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:17:12 PM
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Imho Safaricom stands to lose at least 20% of its revenue over the next year. The share price has to go lower
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My 2 cents
#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:18:22 PM
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msimon wrote:
My 2 cents wrote:
Kenya Re; because the only movement for this stock seems to be downward


Seems your focusing on the technical bit, but the fundamentals of this stock make it one of the cheapest stocks on the NSE.
But thanks for the response!

This is precisely why I bought Kenya Re. I deemed it very cheap. The only thing this stock has succeeded in doing is disappoint me. Each day I wonder whether I should bail out.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:31:54 PM
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I would short SCOM, ACCS, SCAN,
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 3:48:57 PM
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MSC.

what keeps driving up ARM? Me thinks its overpriced.... but its still among the highest gainers today....
msimon
#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:15:59 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
I would short SCOM, ACCS, SCAN,

Why those ones and for how long? What point would you cover your positions?
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:23:52 PM
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Safcom all the way.... 4.50 might be where i would start going long
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:36:06 PM
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I wouldnt even dare short junk stocks like eveready and OCH....strange things beyond logic do happen
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:14:41 PM
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Are you aware you can short stocks without doing an actual trade? As an example if guru267 sold her holding at Ksh5.40 and then buys back at Ksh4.40 that is effectively shorting
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 7:59:31 PM
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:14:45 PM
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Short CFC. Doing the research reveals a lot, but IMHO this bank has poor fundamentals. Bank's mission statement is also not clear. Management style I don't understand. What is it's core focus? Asset finance? Mortgages? Corporate? Retail? The growth prospects regionally are poor and the branch network will continue to cause funding problems.

If you are not convinced that the recent recovery is not a smoke screen just ask your local brokerage analyst to give you q-o-q analysis of the bank's financials. Choose any metric return on assets, interest margin, cost income ratio, earnings margin, commissions to expenses and you'll see that Q2 performance was the worst versus the past six quarters. Example of interest margin Q4' 09 was 5.0%, Q1 '10 was 4.2% and Q2' 10 was 3.8%. ROA for Q4, Q1 and Q2 was about 0.6%, 2.8% and 0.6% (poor asset returns, but these are my estimates, i cud be proven wrong).

The thing supporting this bank is its bond portfolio inflated by CBK's loose monetary policy (BBK & EB are just screwing people on interest margins, but HF is being managed extremely well). Bond prices won't keep rising as fast and you'll see that reflected in Q3 results. The only way they'll perform better in H2 is to improve non interest income and as one of their depositors, I finally understand why so many new charges are popping up all over the place with all the new products they're offering me. I get calls from their credit card people like every month.

So in the long run the bank cannot grow with injecting capital and on a valuation basis other peer banks such as (KCB, DTBK & NIC) offer greater value. Be alert when sinking your money treasury in this ship. Go short.
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sparkly
#16 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:19:00 AM
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@scub good analysis. The upside potential of cfc is limited. For us who enjoyed the ride from 40's to 90 it was worthwhile.anyone buying now should be careful.
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msimon
#17 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 10:49:19 AM
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Scubidu wrote:
Short CFC. Doing the research reveals a lot, but IMHO this bank has poor fundamentals. Bank's mission statement is also not clear. Management style I don't understand. What is it's core focus? Asset finance? Mortgages? Corporate? Retail? The growth prospects regionally are poor and the branch network will continue to cause funding problems.

If you are not convinced that the recent recovery is not a smoke screen just ask your local brokerage analyst to give you q-o-q analysis of the bank's financials. Choose any metric return on assets, interest margin, cost income ratio, earnings margin, commissions to expenses and you'll see that Q2 performance was the worst versus the past six quarters. Example of interest margin Q4' 09 was 5.0%, Q1 '10 was 4.2% and Q2' 10 was 3.8%. ROA for Q4, Q1 and Q2 was about 0.6%, 2.8% and 0.6% (poor asset returns, but these are my estimates, i cud be proven wrong).

The thing supporting this bank is its bond portfolio inflated by CBK's loose monetary policy (BBK & EB are just screwing people on interest margins, but HF is being managed extremely well). Bond prices won't keep rising as fast and you'll see that reflected in Q3 results. The only way they'll perform better in H2 is to improve non interest income and as one of their depositors, I finally understand why so many new charges are popping up all over the place with all the new products they're offering me. I get calls from their credit card people like every month.

So in the long run the bank cannot grow with injecting capital and on a valuation basis other peer banks such as (KCB, DTBK & NIC) offer greater value. Be alert when sinking your money treasury in this ship. Go short.


Scubidu..Well put, i think your 100% on the money. I have been thinking too that CFC is a good candidate for a short! Let me add some salt, what would you long as a hedge against this short assuming your a hedge fund manager, plus are there any industrials and commercials you would short at this moment and why,?
msimon
#18 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:04:57 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Sasini

Why sasini?
msimon
#19 Posted : Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:09:25 AM
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sparkly wrote:
@scub good analysis. The upside potential of cfc is limited. For us who enjoyed the ride from 40's to 90 it was worthwhile.anyone buying now should be careful.


Hey,kudos to you! At 40 did you enter because it was cheap or you just speculated, what did you deem its value to be, coz i know people who jumped ship at 80-75.
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