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KENOL/KOBIL
sparkly
#521 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 10:36:33 PM
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cnn wrote:
@sparkly,i am ready to hold out on this one.Tea is the only other haven i would rather be.

@cnn don't miss out on the banks. They are riding on positive feel good factors about the EAC economy, strong profit growth and low valuations.
Life is short. Live passionately.
qw25041985
#522 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 10:43:01 PM
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@cnn . Lolest . U mean u dnt have banks in ur portfolio ? U must be jokin . And u said 100k is peanuts to u .
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
VituVingiSana
#523 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:55:49 AM
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LOL... Kweli... Kenyans... Want the easy way out! @Pkoli @MV

I bought/buy KK not on short-term moves but the longer-term picture... So you ask why the confidence in KK???

1) Only 530mn to be paid to KPRL if the arbitration goes against them
2) Future payments to KPRL (if KK loses) will be the same as the other spineless industry players
3) KPC is appealing 4bn (or so) arbitration judgement. If KK wins... WINDFALL... and KK might end up owning a chunk of KPC... which has others breathing down its neck too!
4) IMHO, GoK is trying to pressure KK by forcing the KPRL issue as a gambit to force KK to settle with KPC (see 3 above).
5) GoK's NOCK has been beaten by KK even after 'freebies' like cheap loans, GoK/Taxpayer guarantees & 30% of OTS
6) KK is aggressively expanding regionally which will boost profits. Also fighting GoK shows other governments that they will fight not run like cowards.

Short-term traders may be having fun... As a jamaa who buys 'value' this one is a keeper...

BUY at 9.50 today & you will see at least 15/- (incl divs) by Aug 2012...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#524 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:05:03 AM
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Horton wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
I managed to get a sizeable lot at 9.10. I am looking forward to buying more as it drops. This company has made lots of money for me over the years. It's been around for 50 years. I bet it will be there for at least another 50 more! Call it falling in love with a stock if you will, but I sure will keep buying.

I have got approx. 10% of my portfolio in it and I reckon to increase this to 20% as the price falls.

Note NBV for the company is above Kshs 7 so even if they went into liquidation - we would still survive.

Well done....dude they are not going to close down....

Next question, sorry totally random, working out NBV for a hypothetical company, what if their assets are overvalued somehow? Kinda like the enroll fib?? Waddaya do then?
We will be OK... LOL... I am looking for cash as I type... I might even sell my KQ @ 50 to buy KK @ less than 10/-... I just hope I can buy at 9/- rather than 10/-...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#525 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:09:48 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Shareprice aside, its good to see total man (yeah right, more like total BS) getting paid back with some of his coin.
KK was acquired flaudently by piwott during the days he used to hold m0i's crotch (from his 10% cut in Turkwell dam). New sheriff is in town.
I like KK... but I have no problem is biwott's shares are taken over by KACC... and moi's crotch needs a good kick...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#526 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:14:23 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Waithaka, Biwott used to do more than just hold Moi's crotch

Applause Applause Applause Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! Pray Pray Pray Applause Applause Applause
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#527 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 1:18:08 AM
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BGL wrote:
These guys (KK) and their die hard self appointed spokesman aka VVS have two weeks to show cause why their license cannot be revoked...the details are posted elsewhere in this forum. Pay up what is owed to you in arrears by KPRL. Do not keep on complaining about inefficiencies here. Do you want to tell us that the system is efficient for all the other marketers and it is deliberately manipulated for KK...what a rubbish.
Come on... even you know that KPRL is inefficient... If given the choice NONE of the Oil Marketers (even NOCK) would use KPRL... It is much 'cheaper' to import the White Oils... Probably even the Black Oils...

BTW, KK has been OK for over 1 month even after KPRL 'refused' to process any more crude for them... KK are smart!

I am confident KK will out-smart the idiots, thieves, nincompoops at GoK, KPRL & ERC...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
cnn
#528 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:24:48 AM
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@spakly,the only share i have close to a bank is CFC ,purely speculative and holding out for my target price.You are right the mid cap banks will continue doing well,i view the big caps as fully priced,replicating the over 30% YOY will be quite something,remember we are viewing the current results being reported against a very depressing year economically 2009.But hey,JM has has his own way and may be far from done.And KCB may just fulfill its potential.
Talking valuations,KK is too cheap at current prices and i like their regional growth.And i expect better profits going forward from their regional expansion.
@QW...you are best ignored.
Gordon Gekko
#529 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 10:29:29 AM
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My order for KK at 9.50 didn't go through yesterday. Hope I can pick them up Monday. Sub 10 is still very good value both for speculators and investors.
youcan'tstopusnow
#530 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 12:26:11 PM
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Like VVS said, 500 million is not exactly big money for KENOL. At curremt prices, I'm viewing KK like Mumias at the 6 to 7 bob levels where I heavily accumulated. I just need it to stay subdued for at least another month or two. guru, you sold at a loss ama?
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
VituVingiSana
#531 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 11:08:45 PM
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I spoke to a lawyer (just a friendly conversation without all details) who said that KK might be able to approach the courts to 'deposit' the KShs 530mn or so... [Or issue an irrevocable Bank Guarantee]

KPRL can then be compelled under a certificate of urgency to allow crude to be processed at the old rates... any 'difference' to be deposited with the courts...

ERC wud have no cause to suspend KK... MoE would also shut up... Then the court/arbitration process would start...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
qw25041985
#532 Posted : Saturday, August 21, 2010 11:17:59 PM
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The bottom line is that Kk shld nw act . Either pay the deposit or whatever ....coz from the locks of things erc isnt jokin .
Your future depends on your dreams so go to sleep !
BGL
#533 Posted : Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:57:34 AM
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qw25041985 wrote:
The bottom line is that Kk shld nw act . Either pay the deposit or whatever ....coz from the locks of things erc isnt jokin .


I agree with qw! When you have two evils, you chose the lesser evil. Nani kali kati ya ManU na Arsenali...sorry Kenol Kobil vs ERC/KPRL. Let me explain, Bravado mentality display by KK is finally toning down. Infact they will have to PAY..period. Not because they want to pay but because it is the only option. In as much as KPRL is inefficient, the consequence of hardline stance is grave.. suspended/revoked license is even more worse.
History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
VituVingiSana
#534 Posted : Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:15:42 AM
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BGL wrote:
qw25041985 wrote:
The bottom line is that Kk shld nw act . Either pay the deposit or whatever ....coz from the locks of things erc isnt jokin .


I agree with qw! When you have two evils, you chose the lesser evil. Nani kali kati ya ManU na Arsenali...sorry Kenol Kobil vs ERC/KPRL. Let me explain, Bravado mentality display by KK is finally toning down. Infact they will have to PAY..period. Not because they want to pay but because it is the only option. In as much as KPRL is inefficient, the consequence of hardline stance is grave.. suspended/revoked license is even more worse.
Therein lies the difference in our positions... KK should NOT pay KPRL directly... but pay the 'court' while the dispute is resolved thru arbitration or court process...

Also KK has a KShs 5bn lawsuits against KPRL... & should they win... KPRL will be BANKRUPT...

KPC is appealing a KShs 4bn arbitration ruling... LOL... I hope KPC loses the ruling so KK can wipe the floor clean with KPC's bum!!!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#535 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 11:09:51 AM
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No chance of this baby going below nine. No chance. KK ni 'kichwa ngumu'. It can withstand a heavy barrage of negative press, as has been proven in the recent past
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
VituVingiSana
#536 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 12:50:14 PM
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SELL, SELL, SELL, SELL... (next week)

coz I wanna buy... lakini next week... sina chapaa @ the moment!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
girlabouttown
#537 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 1:31:46 PM
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Horton
#538 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 2:14:23 PM
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BGL wrote:
qw25041985 wrote:
The bottom line is that Kk shld nw act . Either pay the deposit or whatever ....coz from the locks of things erc isnt jokin .


I agree with qw! When you have two evils, you chose the lesser evil. Nani kali kati ya ManU na Arsenali...sorry Kenol Kobil vs ERC/KPRL. Let me explain, Bravado mentality display by KK is finally toning down. Infact they will have to PAY..period. Not because they want to pay but because it is the only option. In as much as KPRL is inefficient, the consequence of hardline stance is grave.. suspended/revoked license is even more worse.



ERC can't afford to lose kk in the Kenyan market. The vacuum that 20% market share would be quite devastating for our fragile yet growing economy. Pure vitisho!!
BGL
#539 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 5:58:55 PM
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I would wish to see KK maintain the Bravado..so that we can gauge whether ERC can bite or its a toothless bulldog.
History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
Horton
#540 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 8:02:35 PM
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