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Safcom on a dive, whats going on?
Wamutonyi
#21 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:00:31 PM
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The guys are still in denial. The arrogance that comes with monopoly. We must not relent in this spirited effort to end this slavery. Come on guys, YES WE CAN.
kyt
#22 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:13:44 PM
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i hate safaricom. Their arrogance stinks! Eish!
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hisah
#23 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:16:04 PM
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winston wrote:
And safaricom's response to Zain is as quoted below in an extract sent by a broker:

Extract from Susan Kilolo, Investor Relations Manager, Safaricom Limited.

The move by Bharti to reduce its Kenyan operations voice tariffs by 50% is an unsustainable pricing strategy. Zain (Bharti) seem to be banking on the Indian model of low tariffs & high volumes to increase MOU in a market with an elasticity of less than 1. Safaricom has no intention of getting engaged in a similar pricing strategy that would undermine our business and erode value for our shareholders. Safaricom will launch aggressive promotions to limit any market share gain by the competitors and at all times protect our revenue share. Reduction in MTR’s to Kshs. 2.21 will not have a significant impact financially on Safaricom as we are net receivers of off-net calls.

Safaricom has moved away from being a pure voice player to a total communications provider. We have always assumed that voice would move to be a low cost commodity and therefore we embarked on extending our offerings. We had provided for a reduction in tariffs as well as heightened competitor activity in the short term in our forecasts and in our discussions with the investment community in the past year. And to this end we have amplified our focus on cost efficiencies across the board and will continue to do so going forward. Expectations on EBITDA margins are still within the guidance we have provided to you and we should maintain it at the same level as last year’s. Our data strategy continues to gain traction as well as M-PESA which is growing from strength to strength.


Safaricom has invested significantly in its network having spent Kshs. 139 Billion since inception – more than any other operator in the country. Over the past two years we have invested significantly in our data network; fibre, 3G and Wimax. Safaricom is the only operator with a 3G network with over 600 3G-enabled & 140 Wimax base stations and a mobile money product that contributes positively to EBITDA margin. We are committed to our continued investment in our infrastructure to leverage on our strengths. Data combined with M-PESA will ensure that we will continue to benefit from the growth that we see in the Kenyan Market.

We do expect that there will be some volatility in the Market place but we firmly believe that Safaricom is in a significantly better position to weather this volatility than our competitors.

End of quote.

Seems Safcom will retain their 8/= per minute charge which incidentally higher than the share price at 5.10!


Someone is still in denial... If their revenues were 50% or more backed by data, the statement would have made sense and cents... And there goes the sell signal Laughing out loudly
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Morey
#24 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:24:48 PM
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It begs the question of whether MJ was a hero by circumstance or by coinsidence?
He knew all this was coming and thats why he has to exit before it gets messy.
dr.ysj
#25 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:27:58 PM
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@ sparkly, niando, gordon and 2012 ; you guys seem to be harsh on ngalaka! hehe, he was just asking for opinions, or is it that a significant part of your portfolios lies with safariCON?
mlennyma
#26 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:31:26 PM
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The war front is not on voice,but on data and innovations.zain just sits down and shamelessly imitates safcoms innovations,from mpesa,please cal me,kopa credo,zain is a non starter.about five years and no remarkable progress even now their traffic is jammed they cant cope.
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extrablessed
#27 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:31:40 PM
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For how long can Zein sustain the 3/= rate?
blaqlegend
#28 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:51:04 PM
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Let the arrogance continue...
I have made my 'small decision to reward/thank Zain'
I'M CALLING ALL MY PALS WHO HAVE VUKAD ON THEIR ZAIN LINES....lets see how safcoN will eat my interconnection pennies....
Wamutonyi
#29 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:51:43 PM
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@dr.ysj

Ngalaka got the right answers from akina Sparky, no apologies, I would have done the same.

@mlennyma

Do not be a prophet of doom, Bharti Airtel has experience and am optimistic they will not repeat the mistakes done by Zain.

Entering this market is very challenging and Safcom has been a Goliath until Zain threw the first lethal punch. SafCON has made alot of money from us thus can afford all sorts of innovation coz implementing comes at a cost.
bkismat
#30 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 4:57:41 PM
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@Wamutony. U r really campaigning for this thing.Are you from Zain's marketing department?
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
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PKoli
#31 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 5:01:29 PM
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The battle is gonna be more different than the others we've witnessed. That is why the market reacted the way it did.

See the caption in today's nation; those people queing for zain lines. They were not doing it for fun; dead serious. Yesterday I was in a company of four and all had re-activated their zain lines
Wamutonyi
#32 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 5:02:34 PM
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NO, I am not. I believe in everybody getting a share of the cake. ZAIN cannot kill the monopoly and exploitation of Safcon without our support, if we sit there and do nothing, believe you me nothing will change.

Many of us carry phones but rarely make calls and yet we are proudly saying Zain cannot sustain this.

PKoli
#33 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 5:09:45 PM
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extrablessed wrote:
For how long can Zein sustain the 3/= rate?


Only time will tell. This time though, Zain will battle
bkismat
#34 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 5:22:03 PM
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winston wrote:
And safaricom's response to Zain is as quoted below in an extract sent by a broker:

Extract from Susan Kilolo, Investor Relations Manager, Safaricom Limited.

The move by Bharti to reduce its Kenyan operations voice tariffs by 50% is an unsustainable pricing strategy. Zain (Bharti) seem to be banking on the Indian model of low tariffs & high volumes to increase MOU in a market with an elasticity of less than 1. Safaricom has no intention of getting engaged in a similar pricing strategy that would undermine our business and erode value for our shareholders. Safaricom will launch aggressive promotions to limit any market share gain by the competitors and at all times protect our revenue share. Reduction in MTR’s to Kshs. 2.21 will not have a significant impact financially on Safaricom as we are net receivers of off-net calls.

Safaricom has moved away from being a pure voice player to a total communications provider. We have always assumed that voice would move to be a low cost commodity and therefore we embarked on extending our offerings. We had provided for a reduction in tariffs as well as heightened competitor activity in the short term in our forecasts and in our discussions with the investment community in the past year. And to this end we have amplified our focus on cost efficiencies across the board and will continue to do so going forward. Expectations on EBITDA margins are still within the guidance we have provided to you and we should maintain it at the same level as last year’s. Our data strategy continues to gain traction as well as M-PESA which is growing from strength to strength.


Safaricom has invested significantly in its network having spent Kshs. 139 Billion since inception – more than any other operator in the country. Over the past two years we have invested significantly in our data network; fibre, 3G and Wimax. Safaricom is the only operator with a 3G network with over 600 3G-enabled & 140 Wimax base stations and a mobile money product that contributes positively to EBITDA margin. We are committed to our continued investment in our infrastructure to leverage on our strengths. Data combined with M-PESA will ensure that we will continue to benefit from the growth that we see in the Kenyan Market.

We do expect that there will be some volatility in the Market place but we firmly believe that Safaricom is in a significantly better position to weather this volatility than our competitors.

End of quote.

Seems Safcom will retain their 8/= per minute charge which incidentally higher than the share price at 5.10!

I Cant believe what I'm reading!! The sheer arrogance!! Well MJ has told us quite a number of times that he is running a business and not a philanthropy.We are also not gong to be philanthropic with our money to sufferincon.
It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
2012
#35 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 5:30:51 PM
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Morey wrote:
It begs the question of whether MJ was a hero by circumstance or by coinsidence?
He knew all this was coming and thats why he has to exit before it gets messy.


Let's give credit when and where it's due. MJ changed the landscape of Kenya communication and he deserves recognition and applause for it. Always remember that price is perception and will never be constant.

BBI will solve it
:)
mlennyma
#36 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 5:31:46 PM
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Speculators get out,there is serious business in safcom.a stock rewards only those who stick to it even in times of euphoria
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
dr.ysj
#37 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 6:37:04 PM
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extrablessed wrote:
For how long can Zein sustain the 3/= rate?


I personally feel not for long! Safaricom's market dominance by looking at the sheer customer base is many folds that of zain!
slykat
#38 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 6:37:37 PM
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@Ngalaka

Excuse my digression.
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qw25041985
#39 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 6:53:04 PM
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@ngalaka. U cnt b that 'dump' . What kind of a question is that . This post shld be moved to funny corner . Coz its the funniest .
Talk about detarchment frm reality. My guy rudi kenya .
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youcan'tstopusnow
#40 Posted : Friday, August 20, 2010 7:06:29 PM
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2012, safaricom at 4.50?smile
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